Message from @Geamr

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2018-07-29 14:12:45 UTC  

The more pressing question is why we allow capitalism to flourish

2018-07-29 14:12:53 UTC  

Abolish the State

2018-07-29 14:13:03 UTC  

Anarcho capitalism

2018-07-29 14:13:14 UTC  

The government has no choice but to bail out the banks

2018-07-29 14:13:26 UTC  

Abolish Capitalism

2018-07-29 14:13:34 UTC  

if the banks fail you get a depression, and a depression always means socialism will rise

2018-07-29 14:13:35 UTC  

Anarcho capitalism is a fuckin joke

2018-07-29 14:13:50 UTC  

True because capitalism always creates its own enemies

2018-07-29 14:13:53 UTC  

wouldn't want another new deal forced on our poor government and the corporations that sponsor it

2018-07-29 14:14:12 UTC  

or even worse, an actual successful revolution instead of appeasement and continuation of the cycle

2018-07-29 14:14:26 UTC  

Abolish all state apparatuses and work towards the international federative commune system

2018-07-29 14:14:35 UTC  

Well look you’re making some good points but I gtg

2018-07-29 14:14:44 UTC  

allright it was nice talking to you

2018-07-29 14:14:47 UTC  

Same

2018-07-29 14:14:50 UTC  

Cyall

2018-07-29 14:15:47 UTC  

reform or revolution, you ask?

2018-07-29 14:15:56 UTC  

i believe rosa luxembourg answered that question quite well

2018-07-29 14:16:10 UTC  

States do not naturally dissolve because they are self-perpetuating

2018-07-29 14:16:17 UTC  

^

2018-07-29 14:16:39 UTC  

If anything this is the biggest lesson of the USSR and China

2018-07-29 14:17:33 UTC  

Eh, it would try to

2018-07-29 14:17:47 UTC  

it's hard to get right apparently

2018-07-29 14:18:23 UTC  

No it won't, it will create a red bureaucracy that becomes the new capitalist class, it could be even worse with the introduction of state capitalism like the USSR and China did. Bakunin foresaw this told Marx and warned about it in his writing and despite all of that it still happened. States are oppressive and the working class cannot be free under one.

2018-07-29 14:19:16 UTC  

Federative, grass roots, direct democratic structures

2018-07-29 14:19:54 UTC  

So we democratize your workplace and then your workplace becomes a political organ for the new commune

2018-07-29 14:20:25 UTC  

you need a large international bureaucratic apparatus to deal with global issues though

2018-07-29 14:21:01 UTC  

perhaps even on a national scale

2018-07-29 14:21:25 UTC  

Not bureaucratic filled with career politicians, but delegates sent and elected from the working class themselves

2018-07-29 14:21:30 UTC  

they would be directly recallbale

2018-07-29 14:21:39 UTC  

Exactly why revolution

2018-07-29 14:22:07 UTC  

And when setting up a new system

2018-07-29 14:22:15 UTC  

You need specialists and state servants that are dedicate tho, you can't run a large apparatus like that without qualified officials

2018-07-29 14:22:26 UTC  

You do not want a large apparatus

2018-07-29 14:22:33 UTC  

the issue of corruption must be tackled effectively through control and transparency

2018-07-29 14:22:39 UTC  

No

2018-07-29 14:22:43 UTC  

yeah you don't want it but you NEED it

2018-07-29 14:22:50 UTC  

How do you need it?

2018-07-29 14:22:59 UTC  

how can your thousands of little councils deal with something like global warming?

2018-07-29 14:23:09 UTC  

something that requires global coordination and action?

2018-07-29 14:23:16 UTC  

or disasters of massive scales

2018-07-29 14:23:37 UTC  

They elect members from those councils to go to a regional council and the regional council elects someone to go to a national council and then they elect someone to go to international councils