they need to come from where they are most abunant to where they are most needed in an organized, planned way

all of your councils around the world would have to work out a plan together

I mean you can, without capitalism they can diversify their economy and without the state apparatus they no longer worry about border disputes

And the councils, if they feel it is a global issue, can kick the issue up to the international level

the damage capitalism has done will last for decades if not a century or more

I disagree

It will last until the end of the revolution

I think you are not aware of just how much damage is being done to the ecosystem alone right now

Our ecosystem is fucked

Or to peoples minds

permanently

and People's minds will be freed during the revolution

it's in an unsustainable decline and we need to stabilize it and overcome the consequences of climate change

that's fairly optimistic, capitalism is very good at making slaves

Its already too late though, the damage is done permanently to our planet

and freeing slaves takes more than to break their chains

It's even better at hiding its slavery

we can mitigate the warming through control of carbon emissions still

but yes many things are already going to create huge problems

that's exactly why it will be hard to free the slaves, they didn't even know they were in chains

and then you ask them to give up some of their wealth and comfort to other people?
how would you deal with the inevetable counter-revolutions?

Would it be considered a revolution if it's against the interests of the majority?

Then it's more like a coup

Or a revolt

If you try to impose the old system again, or create a new autocracy

something like that would be a counter-revolution

@Deleted User Read rosa luxemburgs reform or revolution

this was exactly the issue they were discussing in the e̶a̶r̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶e̶i̶m̶a̶r̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶ 1899

and she gave a fantastic retort to that kind of thinking

~~Do I smell Bordiga?~~

Her analysis is eerily applicable today i found

many of the things she writes about you can see first hand happening today

what does that have to do with anything @PugSlugger

if you think that then i find that kinda sad tbh

or you're just trolling, allright then

or we just dont care to engage with arguments that have no substance and would require you to have actual knowledge of marx and the argument you are attacking

I read the whole thing

it has nothing to do with money

the market economy is the exploitative part

not the paying the worker less than he makes

you don't have to force people to pay anything for the goods you create