Message from @Geamr

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2018-07-29 14:30:32 UTC  

Too late for what and what is a myth?

2018-07-29 14:30:32 UTC  

and Capitalism will be abolished

2018-07-29 14:30:45 UTC  

yeah but the redistribution will be a massive effort that needs to be coordinated

2018-07-29 14:30:54 UTC  

On the local level

2018-07-29 14:30:58 UTC  

or people will end up suffering unnecessarly

2018-07-29 14:31:03 UTC  

no

2018-07-29 14:31:05 UTC  

its a global issue

2018-07-29 14:31:17 UTC  

you cant redistribute resources in the congo and call that equality

2018-07-29 14:31:35 UTC  

they need to come from where they are most abunant to where they are most needed in an organized, planned way

2018-07-29 14:31:53 UTC  

all of your councils around the world would have to work out a plan together

2018-07-29 14:31:57 UTC  

I mean you can, without capitalism they can diversify their economy and without the state apparatus they no longer worry about border disputes

2018-07-29 14:32:17 UTC  

And the councils, if they feel it is a global issue, can kick the issue up to the international level

2018-07-29 14:32:26 UTC  

the damage capitalism has done will last for decades if not a century or more

2018-07-29 14:32:37 UTC  

I disagree

2018-07-29 14:32:45 UTC  

It will last until the end of the revolution

2018-07-29 14:32:55 UTC  

I think you are not aware of just how much damage is being done to the ecosystem alone right now

2018-07-29 14:33:16 UTC  

Our ecosystem is fucked

2018-07-29 14:33:17 UTC  

Or to peoples minds

2018-07-29 14:33:18 UTC  

permanently

2018-07-29 14:33:27 UTC  

and People's minds will be freed during the revolution

2018-07-29 14:33:44 UTC  

it's in an unsustainable decline and we need to stabilize it and overcome the consequences of climate change

2018-07-29 14:34:02 UTC  

that's fairly optimistic, capitalism is very good at making slaves

2018-07-29 14:34:08 UTC  

Its already too late though, the damage is done permanently to our planet

2018-07-29 14:34:12 UTC  

and freeing slaves takes more than to break their chains

2018-07-29 14:34:22 UTC  

It's even better at hiding its slavery

2018-07-29 14:34:32 UTC  

we can mitigate the warming through control of carbon emissions still

2018-07-29 14:34:45 UTC  

but yes many things are already going to create huge problems

2018-07-29 14:35:11 UTC  

that's exactly why it will be hard to free the slaves, they didn't even know they were in chains

2018-07-29 14:36:01 UTC  

and then you ask them to give up some of their wealth and comfort to other people?
how would you deal with the inevetable counter-revolutions?

2018-07-29 14:36:31 UTC  

Would it be considered a revolution if it's against the interests of the majority?

2018-07-29 14:36:39 UTC  

Then it's more like a coup

2018-07-29 14:36:44 UTC  

Or a revolt

2018-07-29 14:36:49 UTC  

If you try to impose the old system again, or create a new autocracy

2018-07-29 14:36:59 UTC  

something like that would be a counter-revolution

2018-07-29 14:38:05 UTC  

@Deleted User Read rosa luxemburgs reform or revolution

2018-07-29 14:38:15 UTC  

this was exactly the issue they were discussing in the e̶a̶r̶l̶y̶ ̶w̶e̶i̶m̶a̶r̶ ̶r̶e̶p̶u̶b̶l̶i̶c̶ 1899

2018-07-29 14:38:22 UTC  

and she gave a fantastic retort to that kind of thinking

2018-07-29 14:38:31 UTC  

~~Do I smell Bordiga?~~

2018-07-29 14:41:29 UTC  

Her analysis is eerily applicable today i found

2018-07-29 14:41:42 UTC  

many of the things she writes about you can see first hand happening today

2018-07-29 14:42:35 UTC  

what does that have to do with anything @PugSlugger