Message from @Geamr

Discord ID: 473134062710816769


2018-07-29 14:22:26 UTC  

You do not want a large apparatus

2018-07-29 14:22:33 UTC  

the issue of corruption must be tackled effectively through control and transparency

2018-07-29 14:22:39 UTC  

No

2018-07-29 14:22:43 UTC  

yeah you don't want it but you NEED it

2018-07-29 14:22:50 UTC  

How do you need it?

2018-07-29 14:22:59 UTC  

how can your thousands of little councils deal with something like global warming?

2018-07-29 14:23:09 UTC  

something that requires global coordination and action?

2018-07-29 14:23:16 UTC  

or disasters of massive scales

2018-07-29 14:23:37 UTC  

They elect members from those councils to go to a regional council and the regional council elects someone to go to a national council and then they elect someone to go to international councils

2018-07-29 14:24:12 UTC  

but that is in effect a government body, and it needs a bureaucracy to function and implement its policies

2018-07-29 14:24:23 UTC  

A computer determining allocation of resources is not a state

2018-07-29 14:24:32 UTC  

and then you have a global bureaucratic organization run by representatives again

2018-07-29 14:24:44 UTC  

It is not a bureaucracy because people are directly elected and are recallable after the issue is done

2018-07-29 14:24:45 UTC  

computers cannot answer human questions and issues

2018-07-29 14:24:52 UTC  

Meaning they do not hold a permanent title

2018-07-29 14:24:55 UTC  

those people won't be able to do all the work

2018-07-29 14:25:12 UTC  

Then they can open up volunteer positions for working committees

2018-07-29 14:25:16 UTC  

they need expert advisers, bureaucrats to delegate work and research and to draft proposals

2018-07-29 14:25:19 UTC  

and oversee implementation

2018-07-29 14:25:37 UTC  

That can all be done by a working comittee working on one issue that dissolves after the issue

2018-07-29 14:25:50 UTC  

but that is extremely inefficient and disorganized

2018-07-29 14:26:05 UTC  

and you can't deal with urgent issues requiring immediate action well

2018-07-29 14:26:11 UTC  

Not really, it allows for the working class to directly elect who they want dealing with problems

2018-07-29 14:26:18 UTC  

Which issues?

2018-07-29 14:26:28 UTC  

you can't invent new processes and find and vet the right people at any given time easily

2018-07-29 14:26:39 UTC  

you need an institution of some sort i think

2018-07-29 14:26:54 UTC  

it should be controlled by the people of course

2018-07-29 14:27:03 UTC  

You do not vet or find

2018-07-29 14:27:07 UTC  

they come to the working group

2018-07-29 14:27:08 UTC  

and act completely transparent

2018-07-29 14:27:15 UTC  

This is all about the most human freedom possible

2018-07-29 14:27:25 UTC  

everything else is an abstraction in the front of that

2018-07-29 14:27:42 UTC  

so everyone on earth just gets an email asking if they wanna come to this council to deal with a critical issue?

2018-07-29 14:27:50 UTC  

how do you decide who you need and who should stay home?

2018-07-29 14:28:01 UTC  

how do you know which people will be effective?

2018-07-29 14:28:26 UTC  

The message disseminates down to the local groups to see if anyone wants to volunteer

2018-07-29 14:29:17 UTC  

The state apparatus will end up killing more people than ever before if we let it continue

2018-07-29 14:29:18 UTC  

I really just don't see how that can work as an effective and efficient problem solving mechanism on a global scale

2018-07-29 14:29:40 UTC  

First we need to ask what global problems are there really?

2018-07-29 14:29:49 UTC  

Global warming is the big one obviously

2018-07-29 14:29:57 UTC  

Its already too late you know right?