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so my mates TED talk is in there ?

2018-01-25 15:16:04 UTC

last name?

2018-01-25 15:26:45 UTC

Too bad so many of them rely on visuals.

2018-01-25 15:29:33 UTC

yeah, still, 60mb of greppable data, certainly worth knowing about

2018-01-25 15:31:55 UTC

Doesn't have TEDxToronto though. Can't find JBP.

2018-01-25 15:32:58 UTC

Nor Sarkeesian's at TEDxWomen.

2018-01-25 15:33:11 UTC

ye he's not there

2018-01-25 15:33:21 UTC

neither is sarkeesian, you're right

2018-01-25 15:34:20 UTC

Fuck, it's not even greppable, it's in markdown.

2018-01-25 15:35:07 UTC

because of the unicode escapes you mean?

2018-01-25 15:35:11 UTC

>And if it's someone else's problem,

2018-01-25 15:35:18 UTC

yeah

2018-01-25 15:35:47 UTC

> OK?"

2018-01-25 15:35:54 UTC

```
$ rg intersectionality
cleaned_tedx_data/Titles_starting_P_to_Z/The_complex_community_I_know_Charles_McGee_TEDxMtHood.md
51:about intersectionality all right so I
73:intersectionality I realize something I
169:dynamic recognize intersectionality

cleaned_ted_data/Titles_starting_P_to_Z/The_urgency_of_intersectionality_Kimberlรฉ_Crenshaw.md
128:the term "intersectionality"
136:that gave rise to intersectionality
277:as a consequence of intersectionality,
285:that intersectionality

cleaned_ted_data/Titles_starting_A_to_O/Courtney_Martin_Reinventing_feminism.md
95:I say, "intersectionality."

cleaned_ted_data/Titles_starting_A_to_O/How_online_abuse_of_women_has_spiraled_out_of_control_Ashley_Judd.md
317:the intersectionality of it:
```

2018-01-25 15:35:59 UTC

not entirely useless :P

2018-01-25 15:36:45 UTC

What's `rg`?

2018-01-25 15:37:29 UTC

ripgrep, like 4 times as fast as grep at the minimum

2018-01-25 15:37:50 UTC

it's the search engine visual studio uses when you find-in-files

2018-01-25 15:41:06 UTC

Oh, I see, it has more limited regex, thus it's faster.

2018-01-25 15:42:02 UTC

yeah, but I never use those advanced greps anyway

2018-01-25 15:42:26 UTC

except in scripts, and then it's usually a library call and not a cli process fork of grep

2018-01-25 15:42:45 UTC

https://github.com/sharkdp/fd is also excellent as a replacement `find`, 3x faster on average or so

2018-01-25 15:45:38 UTC

```
$ fd stuart
cleaned_ted_data/Titles_starting_0_to_9/3_principles_for_creating_safer_AI_Stuart_Russell.md
cleaned_ted_data/Titles_starting_P_to_Z/Stuart_Brown_Play_is_more_than_fun.md
cleaned_ted_data/Titles_starting_P_to_Z/Stuart_Firestein_The_pursuit_of_ignorance.md
cleaned_ted_data/Titles_starting_P_to_Z/Tristram_Stuart_The_global_food_waste_scandal.md
cleaned_teded_data/Titles_starting_A_to_O/Is_time_travel_possible_Colin_Stuart.md
cleaned_teded_data/Titles_starting_P_to_Z/Where_do_superstitions_come_from_Stuart_Vyse.md
cleaned_tedx_data/Titles_starting_P_to_Z/The_E_Word_Why_Engineering_Needs_All_of_Us_Samantha_Stuart_TEDxCollingwood.md
cleaned_tedx_data/Titles_starting_P_to_Z/You_will_ask_machines_to_do_less_so_you_can_do_more_Stuart_Blyde_TEDxModenaSalon.md
```

2018-01-25 15:46:35 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/406112625261412363/Tristram_Stuart_The_global_food_waste_scandal.md

2018-01-25 15:48:21 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/406113071845867522/Tristram_Stuart_The_global_food_waste_scandal.pdf

2018-01-25 15:48:24 UTC

a text file

i helped write that FeelsGoodMan

It was the Primer the spark to many other things

Actually @Mal have you heard of Selina Juul?

2018-01-25 16:50:06 UTC

Yeah, she's some anti food waste campaigner

2018-01-25 20:41:03 UTC

I'm not sure if it's operated entirely by SJW hacktivists and journos, but I don't think so

2018-01-25 20:41:31 UTC

shouldn't matter that much if they provide raw data

2018-01-25 22:49:54 UTC

Selina Juul is a fucking Goddess

2018-01-26 06:18:19 UTC

kraut got replaced

2018-01-26 08:32:18 UTC

Children of the Corn <:bleach:382980734035689473>

2018-01-26 14:18:22 UTC

Imagine how many of Gen Z will be able to vote in 2020... 2 terms worth

2018-01-26 14:19:58 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/406453215987761152/image-48-1.jpg

2018-01-26 14:20:07 UTC

2 scoops

2018-01-26 14:22:19 UTC

Is there an actual starting year for Gen Z? I'm still not sure whether I'd be labeled that or a millenial

2018-01-26 14:23:37 UTC

Some people claim 2001 some people claim 1995 and some people claim anyone who doesnt have memories of 9/11

2018-01-26 14:23:58 UTC

There are some other claims but those are the main 3 from what I've seen

2018-01-26 14:24:10 UTC

Memories of 9/11 makes the most sense though

2018-01-26 14:24:19 UTC

Millennial ends around 1997

2018-01-26 14:25:28 UTC

About what point in 97?

2018-01-26 14:25:54 UTC

or just like sometimes said to be a year before, a year after, that sort of deal

I watched 9/11 live on the TV

I it was on the TV already cus of the first plane and then the second one hit

and then everyone thought, this wasn't an accident

2018-01-26 16:26:13 UTC

Same

2018-01-26 16:28:23 UTC

feels like an eternity ago, though

2018-01-26 17:04:04 UTC

911 was inside job

2018-01-26 17:04:26 UTC

"jet fuel can't melt steel beams"

2018-01-26 17:04:51 UTC

do you even know what they really mean by that?

2018-01-26 17:05:15 UTC

there was alot of molten metal after those towers collapsed.

2018-01-26 17:05:32 UTC

and it cant be jet fuel that melted it.

2018-01-26 17:05:46 UTC

kek

2018-01-26 17:05:55 UTC

you think the government could keep something like that secret?

2018-01-26 17:06:28 UTC

its public info just go an look

2018-01-26 17:06:36 UTC

when it has people who send sensitive emails from their laptops

2018-01-26 17:06:46 UTC

and other ignorants running it

2018-01-26 17:07:21 UTC

also building 7

2018-01-26 17:08:12 UTC

keep on believin'

2018-01-26 17:08:55 UTC

i mean most people dont even have looked what really happened. only what media told.

2018-01-26 17:10:00 UTC

just google wtc7 and see your self

2018-01-26 17:10:18 UTC

and the rest have looked at conspiracy nutjob sites, that either fail to understand basic science, or utterly misrepresent facts in order to goad on the gullible

2018-01-26 17:11:04 UTC

so you havent even looked what they really say

2018-01-26 17:11:48 UTC

Oh I have looked over a few, here and there, and it's all been unconvincing. I doubt anything you could present me with would change my mind, but I won't dismiss it without having seen it.

2018-01-26 17:12:30 UTC

so whats your explanation to WTC7?

2018-01-26 17:14:26 UTC

thermal expansion

2018-01-26 17:15:21 UTC

+ progressive collapse

2018-01-26 17:16:02 UTC

simple explanation, that the investigators also arrived at, afaik.

2018-01-26 17:16:14 UTC

why shouldn't I believe this?

2018-01-26 17:18:23 UTC

so that fire was pure coincidence that it happened same time as those airplanes hit towers. and it collapsed in few minutes after fire started.๐Ÿค”

2018-01-26 17:19:28 UTC

even tought any other steal structure building have never collapsed same way. or so fast.๐Ÿค”

2018-01-26 17:20:06 UTC

shekelstein

2018-01-26 17:20:14 UTC

That's because they upped the building codes after that lmfao

2018-01-26 17:20:15 UTC

yes, fire is pretty hot, it can make things expand fast

2018-01-26 17:20:35 UTC

An plane exploding in tower is going to create a fire

2018-01-26 17:20:49 UTC

heavy material falling down is pretty destructive, it can make things collapse pretty fast.

2018-01-26 17:20:52 UTC

@Durtle02 no the WTC7

2018-01-26 17:21:00 UTC

plane never hit that one

2018-01-26 17:22:04 UTC

it being unprecedented does not make it impossible

2018-01-26 17:22:20 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/406499112154824706/WTC7-25-06-2008_TITRE.jpg

2018-01-26 17:37:17 UTC

[7:05 PM] Mal: you think the government could keep something like that secret?
i dont belive anything "its just concpiracy"

and most people dont even have looked in to it.๐Ÿค”

2018-01-26 17:41:52 UTC

I looked into it again just now, the investigation that was done makes sense

2018-01-26 17:42:26 UTC

do you have a better explanation than "it was an inside job", because thermal expansion + progressive collapse is currently in the lead for my support by about a factor of a billion.

2018-01-26 17:43:08 UTC

I'd like to hear your take on it

2018-01-26 17:45:22 UTC

so you rather belive that it collapsed because fire that by coincidece happend same time as those planes hit towers 1 and 2. even tought building like that shouldnt even be possible to collapse because of fire.

2018-01-26 17:46:14 UTC

and burining wasnt even hot, black smoke tells lack of oxygen.

2018-01-26 17:46:15 UTC

"shouldn't even be possible" a study was done to show it was indeed possible

2018-01-26 17:46:22 UTC

you're not scoring any points there, I'm afraid

2018-01-26 17:46:51 UTC

the study proved it was possible to reach the required temperatures by fire from office debris

2018-01-26 17:46:58 UTC

again, you're not winning any points here

2018-01-26 17:47:44 UTC

science shows it's possible, I'll stick by the science

2018-01-26 17:50:27 UTC
2018-01-26 17:51:04 UTC

don't have the time for that I'm afraid, but I might watch it later

2018-01-26 17:58:15 UTC

I honestly think there was coverup with 9/11. There was a conspiracy.

2018-01-26 17:58:22 UTC

But it was a terrorist attack

2018-01-26 17:59:17 UTC

it's just the terrorist attack was done by the wrong kind of muslim (saudi arabia) and so the government conspired to hide that detail, blame someone else for it

2018-01-26 18:00:25 UTC

but that does not explain WTC7

2018-01-26 18:00:48 UTC

and also pentagon was never hit by plane.

2018-01-26 18:04:05 UTC

what do you think happened with wtc7 then

2018-01-26 18:05:04 UTC

there was loud explosions. and it came down like building destruction.

2018-01-26 18:05:18 UTC

because if it's terrorist attack by the saudis, then it's easy enough to say they tried to cover up wtc7 and just hide it

2018-01-26 18:06:11 UTC

also if you look more in to reasons there was shit ton of gold under WTC towers.

2018-01-26 18:06:48 UTC

that some how disapeared๐Ÿค”

2018-01-26 18:06:55 UTC

okay, well if there was gold under it, then who did it?

2018-01-26 18:07:15 UTC

I can safely say the government wouldn't do it for the gold because de jure they already own that gold

2018-01-26 18:08:19 UTC

goverment=/=CIA

2018-01-26 18:08:35 UTC

I never said they did

2018-01-26 18:08:54 UTC

though by that, are you saying it was the CIA?

2018-01-26 18:09:07 UTC

yep

2018-01-26 18:09:41 UTC

How competent do you think the CIA is?

2018-01-26 18:10:56 UTC

CIA is idependent body of goverment that dont ansver to congress or anyone else and with massive budget.

2018-01-26 18:11:05 UTC

That's not competence

2018-01-26 18:11:14 UTC

I mean like how smart do you think they are?

2018-01-26 18:12:34 UTC

well they have resurces to plan what ever they want.

2018-01-26 18:12:46 UTC

Do you think they'd be smart enough to?

2018-01-26 18:13:06 UTC

Because I don't think they're competent enough to come up with that kind of plan.

2018-01-26 18:13:55 UTC

If they can't even manage to stop individual terrorists, how would they manage to go undetected with the FBI, the government, various civillian groups, and independent investigators all looking into them?

2018-01-26 18:14:34 UTC

If someone got a smoking gun pointing at the CIA on this, there wouldn't exist a publication in the world that wouldn't publish it.

2018-01-26 18:15:01 UTC

But the CIA paid them off amirite?

2018-01-26 18:15:31 UTC

so you think CIA dont have enought power?

2018-01-26 18:15:46 UTC

I didn't say that, they'd have the power. It'd be within their ability.

2018-01-26 18:15:53 UTC

But I think they're too stupid to manage it.

2018-01-26 18:16:03 UTC

Like if you gave someone a tank but didn't tell them how to drive it.

2018-01-26 18:17:15 UTC

how stupid you think people are๐Ÿค”

2018-01-26 18:17:26 UTC

welllllllllllll..

2018-01-26 18:17:49 UTC

Most people, average intelligence.
The CIA is incompetent, and the FBI scrapes by now and then.

2018-01-26 18:17:55 UTC

The NSA is just a fucking nightmare of morons.

2018-01-26 18:18:33 UTC

Those entire organizations should be destroyed, everyone in them fired, and then rebuilt entirely anew.

2018-01-26 18:20:15 UTC

They're failed the American people horribly and need to be started over from scratch.

2018-01-26 18:21:26 UTC

well deep state (CIA) is running the goverment....

2018-01-26 18:22:03 UTC

tbh the employees of the CIA, FBI, and NSA should all be tried for treason

2018-01-26 18:22:26 UTC

even the janitors for not telling someone how fucking stupid what they're trying to do is and why it's not going to work

2018-01-26 18:24:19 UTC

well you dont even know about projects when they are executed properly.

2018-01-26 18:24:44 UTC

you only hear about completly failed missions.

2018-01-26 18:24:56 UTC

And they're having failures too often.

2018-01-26 18:49:14 UTC

Tbh, is quite easy to agree that the CIA is not working with the countrie's best interests in mind

2018-01-26 21:23:24 UTC

We must secure the existence of our planet and a future for our environment.

2018-01-26 21:23:40 UTC

If you're not an ecofascist, what's the point of participating in society then?

2018-01-26 22:06:27 UTC

`Many will equate words with violence, claiming that harsh criticism and invective are akin to physical abuse. According to this view, violence may be inflicted upon a person merely by offending them. Anyone who claims to believe this, despite never having experienced actual fist-in-their-face, gun-at-their-back, war-in-their-streets physical violence, may need to check their privilege.`

2018-01-26 22:07:21 UTC

`Anyone who has never had to undergo surgery without anaesthesia, has safely flown across the world to escape the cold of their local winter, and carries the luxuries of telecommunications in their pocket, but believes the scientific method to be the reprehensible instrument of a white male conspiracy keeping minorities in bondage and cleaving us from nature, should probably check their privilege.`

2018-01-26 22:07:37 UTC

`If someone lives in a country graced by low levels of poverty, legitimate democratic elections, and a press that publicizes the plight of the governed, yet they wish to abolish markets and live in something more akin to a Communist state, they should check their privilege.`

2018-01-26 22:07:46 UTC

etc

yeah low levels of poverty was graced upon us from above

2018-01-26 23:38:56 UTC

Well

2018-01-27 12:45:38 UTC

what mostly bothers me is:
1. they've already done the work, but now they suddenly need funding
2. they're _getting funded_

2018-01-27 12:46:24 UTC

also 3. I don't believe the resulting production will be illuminating or informative in any substantial way

2018-01-27 13:17:33 UTC

`If Clinton had been charged, Obamaโ€™s culpable involvement would have been patent. In any prosecution of Clinton, the Clintonโ€“Obama emails would have been in the spotlight. For the prosecution, they would be more proof of willful (or, if you prefer, grossly negligent) mishandling of intelligence. More significantly, for Clintonโ€™s defense, they would show that Obama was complicit in Clintonโ€™s conduct yet faced no criminal charges.`

2018-01-27 13:40:00 UTC

I wonder if someone has registered a kickstarter account in the name "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" or whatever and then funded that ks at the $10 level

2018-01-27 13:40:09 UTC

hopefully

2018-01-27 17:18:06 UTC

Judging by the amount of money people give to Andy warski, it wouldn't take long to be funded

2018-01-27 17:26:41 UTC

fighting war that he dont even understand what it really is about...

and hopes he won't kill?

<:what:382980756139409409>

2018-01-27 17:34:41 UTC

well injuring enemy badly is better than killing. it takes way more resources that way.

2018-01-27 17:35:02 UTC

now convince us that's the reasoning behind his statement

2018-01-27 17:35:21 UTC

well that guy is retard for sure.

2018-01-27 17:36:09 UTC

that antifa flag alone tells it๐Ÿ˜‚

depends who you are fighting, some will just leave their mates behind

2018-01-27 17:45:59 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/406867450634698757/1513122265726.jpg

2018-01-27 19:49:49 UTC

Tbh, turkey is the enemy is this case

2018-01-27 20:08:03 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/406903201950990366/turkishempire.jpg

2018-01-27 20:08:34 UTC

*Remove Kebab intensifies*

2018-01-28 10:05:29 UTC

well, most countries have those kinds of problems

2018-01-28 22:00:03 UTC

Everyone has a policial compass theory these days

2018-01-28 22:00:25 UTC

Imo the spectrum should be measured using autism as a metric

2018-01-28 22:11:15 UTC

https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#16.56/7.27851/18.71441/hot/all secret military installation in niger, revealed by jogging soldiers carrying their phones while jogging around the compound

2018-01-28 22:15:41 UTC

`11.4 million ELI[0] renter households accounted
for 26% of all U.S. renter households and nearly
10% of all households.`
0: Extremely Low Income, households at or below poverty guidelines or 30% of the median income of the relative geographical area

2018-01-28 22:16:05 UTC

`The U.S. has a shortage of 7.4 million affordable
and available rental homes for ELI renter
households`

2018-01-28 22:17:07 UTC

`The shortage ranges from 8,731 in Wyoming to
1,110,803 in California.`

2018-01-28 22:18:07 UTC

?

2018-01-29 04:36:30 UTC

? yourself

2018-01-29 11:40:55 UTC

`In many ways, Isisโ€™s project resembled other attempts through history to build a utopian state, from the Bolsheviks to the Taliban โ€“ a road map of authoritarian rule. First, promote a mythical founding ideology. Next, use it to purge society of undesirables. Use the utmost brutality so as to thwart any resistance; maintain a ruthless intelligence network to induce the population to denounce itself.`

2018-01-29 11:43:16 UTC

`โ€œThe process of issuing an electricity bill used to take us almost two months,โ€ Azzam said. โ€œWhen [Isis] came, they simplified the system.โ€`

2018-01-29 11:43:43 UTC

that .. I mean, that says it all about the state of some of the countries in the middle east

wow take my freedoms, that sounds FANTASTIC!

2018-01-29 22:00:50 UTC

rejected by the government, with response: `The Government is committed to upholding free speech, and legislation is already in place to protect these fundamental rights. However, this freedom cannot be an excuse to cause harm or spread hatred.`

2018-01-29 22:01:31 UTC

they go on to say `Everyone has a right to freedom of expression under Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). This is a qualified right however, which means that it can be restricted for certain purposes to the extent necessary in a democratic society. This means that free speech is not absolute.`

2018-01-29 22:01:44 UTC

yeah no shit sherlock, that's what the petition wanted you to enshrine into law

2018-01-29 22:02:19 UTC

`A hate crime is any criminal offence, for example assault or malicious communications, which is perceived to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a personโ€™s actual or perceived race, religion, sexual orientation, disability or transgender identity.`

2018-01-29 22:49:01 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372513679964635138/407668485515378689/china-marriages-per-year.jpg

2018-01-30 13:08:45 UTC

`โ€œThere are people lining up in the bureau to go after McCabe,โ€ said a former FBI official, with knowledge. โ€œThere will be a clean up at the Bureau of his cronies.โ€`

2018-01-30 18:47:36 UTC

@folk โ˜ source?

2018-01-30 18:56:43 UTC

well I didn't want to give it because it's not really a source I trust :P

2018-01-30 18:59:02 UTC

I do believe she has sources in the FBI and such, but I can't confirm any of it - I guess time will tell, and I'm hoping it's true

2018-01-30 19:06:41 UTC

(the reason I believe she has sources in the FBI is because she's female and established, and work in washington - I believe anyone with those 3 qualifications will have sources in all agencies)

2018-01-30 19:07:23 UTC

none of which require any real effort, or can be considered accomplishments

2018-01-30 22:49:45 UTC

`Paradoxically, then, UBI seems to be a crisis demand, brandished in moments of social retreat and austerity. As politics moves to the right and social movements go on the defensive, UBI gains ground. The more social gains seem unreachable, the more UBI makes sense. Itโ€™s what botanists would call a โ€œbioindicatorโ€: it indexes neoliberalismโ€™s progress. Support for basic incomes proliferates where neoliberal reforms have been the most devastating.`

2018-01-30 22:49:58 UTC

I'm not sure this can be described as correct anywhere but the US

2018-01-30 22:52:17 UTC

`Until we profoundly transform our economies, we canโ€™t implement a measure that would cost more than 35 percent of GDP in economies where the state already spends around 50 percent of GDP. The power relations needed to establish this level of UBI would constitute an exit from capitalism, pure and simple, rendering depictions of UBI as a โ€œmeansโ€ of social transformation nonsense.`

2018-01-30 22:52:24 UTC

yeah this article can be ignored completely

2018-01-30 22:52:53 UTC

it does link to a few studies though

2018-01-30 23:39:50 UTC

long story about a tire, that I felt the need to link for some reason https://jalopnik.com/how-goodyear-hid-evidence-of-the-worst-tire-made-in-his-1822200424

2018-01-30 23:39:57 UTC

I'll read that tomorrow :P

2018-01-31 02:01:32 UTC

The only real point I have in regards to religion being so closely tied to the ideals of some of the conservative youtube commentators, is that secular, liberal ideals has lead to objetively better societies than those that have given too much influence to religious dogma, and these commentators have yet to present a worthwhile argument as to why I should think any different. That's why I don't usually watch conservative american youtubers.

Should other dogmatics, like those of the SJW's be allowed to take over the role that religion once held in society, then it will come with it's own slew of problems, as we've seen in some of the political movements in the US and Britain. The conservatives are a common enemy to SJW ideals, but the religious conservatives are not necessarily an ally to a liberal society.

2018-01-31 02:03:09 UTC

So I'll simply not watch those youtubers a lot, because I don't find their arguments interesting, when they're the same ones that religious people have been repeating ad nauseam, and as stated earlier, I'd rather be entertained than annoyed when watching youtube "politics".

2018-01-31 02:03:41 UTC

So because they're religious youtubers, they can't have good opinions?

2018-01-31 02:03:55 UTC

How intellectual.

2018-01-31 02:03:58 UTC

Don't think I said that

2018-01-31 02:05:49 UTC

just don't care to watch their videos on a regular basis, if they keep bringing up their religious views as some kind of argument for why certain policies should be implemented

2018-01-31 02:05:52 UTC

(I'm watching the SOTU, don't take it personal for ignoring you for a while.)

2018-01-31 02:06:12 UTC

no worries, I will probably be going to bed soon

2018-01-31 04:40:25 UTC

It's perfectly possible to have conservative opinions without appealing to religious arguments. In fact, if the opinion can't stand on secular arguments alone, it's probably a bad one. Just because there's *also* a religious moral that agree with it doesn't invalidate it. A lot of what ended up in religious texts and traditions is precisely things that were recognized to work across multiple generations since pre-historic times.

2018-01-31 04:45:34 UTC

JBP's lectures on the Biblical Stories are incredibly insightful, specially if you're close-minded enough to think the Bible is a pile of rubbish.

2018-01-31 04:46:56 UTC

He doesn't appeal to any theological argument, never assumes that God exists; only assumes that the characters in the stories, and the people who wrote the stories, legitimately believed in the **idea of God**. That's all you need, to make an honest evaluation of the text. There's where people like Hitchens or Dawkins show their intellectual deficiencies.

2018-01-31 04:52:00 UTC

Then there's also the argument on whether Judaism and Christianity forged our moral values. The fact that other cultures just failed to develop similar values and remained uncivilized until modern times even, should be proof enough that our western values aren't as universal and self-evident as anti-theists like to claim.

2018-01-31 04:56:23 UTC

Hitchens liked to talk about how people didn't need God to tell them killing was wrong, "everyone understands killing is wrong." Yet, Indians were burning widows until Britain enforced their filthy Christian traditions of "killing is a crime" to stop them. Natives across all of America were doing human sacrifices. Muslims are still happy to consider not all human life worth the same, with their religious text describing many situations where people should be killed.

2018-01-31 05:05:20 UTC

Crowder's argument for pro-life stance boils down to: if we can't specify exactly when life starts (because "life" is an abstract concept), we can define boundaries. It can't be "life" if a cell only contains half of the chromosomes. So the earliest is at the time of full DNA mixing. At some point, from that moment to the moment of birth, the baby is alive. Until we can come up with a better definition of what deserves to be considered alive, conception is the earliest, safest point to start defending what could be "life".

2018-01-31 05:08:13 UTC

Perfectly secular, and I think entirely reasonable. Unless of course you think no life deserves to be preserved. Or that only life that can fight back deserves to be preserved.

2018-01-31 05:09:31 UTC

๐Ÿ‘Œ๐Ÿฟ some pretty solid stuff

2018-01-31 05:54:01 UTC

Oh, and regarding that "if you believed Jesus is the way to save one's immortal soul, why wouldn't you insist on converting people" comment. First, insisting isn't exactly the most effective way. It's definitely an effective way to turn people away. And also, it's funny, because many of the apostles died doing exactly that.
* Peter got crucified upside down for not rejecting Christ.
* Andrew got threatened with torture and execution unless he rejected Christ. He didn't, got whipped and tied to a cross. He kept preaching, for two days, until he died.
* James got persecuted and executed by Herod; he managed to convert his unnamed accuser, which asked to be executed together with James.
* Philip converted the wife of the proconsul of Hierapolis, got crucified upside down with his brother, and continued preaching; he convinced the crowd to save his brother, but asked to not be saved himself.
* Bartholomew managed to convert the king of Armenia, so the king's brother ordered his execution. We don't know if he was crucified or skinned alive then beheaded.
* Thomas got speared for angering local authorities in India.
* Matthew got backstabbed in Ethiopia for criticizing the King's morals.
It's important to point out, they died in various places of the world, very publicly. The conspiracy theory that none of them existed has to account for the Catholic Church being able to fabricate traditions, from England to India, and somehow found numerous non-catholic churches that were erected on their preaching paths.

2018-01-31 10:12:11 UTC

@DanielKO didn't read until just now, but you're spot on
I agree with Crowder and his stance on many things, but I'm not a conservative, nor a christian
same with Peterson
the idea that if you hold similar beliefs to someone therefore you are in the same group as someone is absurd

2018-01-31 10:12:31 UTC

of course, nobody could explain that to @โœฟ Mittens โœฟ because the retard calls anyone left of mao a conservative

2018-01-31 10:44:03 UTC

meanwhile

2018-01-31 10:44:22 UTC

I've found the best comic about migrant crisis and I'm not even sure it's what the author intended

2018-01-31 13:45:49 UTC

Yes, it's possible to be conservative and hold religious opinions. I am not trying to conflate conservativism and religiosity, but have found that the two are often connected in the youtube commentators I have personally bumped into - which is why I don't watch them, and I believe that's really what started this whole "argument", my youtube preferences, lol.

A lot of what ended up in religious texts was also complete and utter hogwash, yet some people claim all of it is divine truth and should be followed to the letter. I don't personally need some ancient text to tell me it's bad to kill people, but that it's also bad to eat lobsters, because GAWHD.
That there are grains of truth in the bible, does litte to allieviate the fact that its vagueness, and influence can be used to justify atrocities, and the awful behaviours of people like the jehova's witnesses (refusing blood transfusion, exclusion and disowning family), or similar christian movements.

It feels just slightly arrogant to call both Dawkins and Hitchens "intellectually deficient", just because you disagree with them. That reminds me, I'd like to hear Jordan Peterson or even Crowder's attempt to answer that challenge Hitch made once. Could be interesting to hear, I guess.
Christians had their fair share of murderous behavior, so it doesn't seem like their belief in god was what stopped them from killing people. Taking matters into their own hands and deciding who deserves to live or die, based on their intrepretations of their own delusional beliefs, yeah, not related to religion at all I'm sure. Witch hunts were a thing last I checked, and not just in catholicism, it was big in lutheranism too.

2018-01-31 13:45:59 UTC

As to Crowder's view on abortion, he's free to hold whatever view he wishes. That being said, I'm sure it has nothing to do with him believing in a soul, and it magically appearing at conception, like the catholic church ammended its view on ensoulment to fit with accepted scientific knowledge.

My point about proselytizing, was that I consider inaction to be somewhat questionable, and borderline immoral, if you believed that everyone who does not believe in whatever it is you believe, will suffer an eternity of torment if they do not convert. It was a bit of a taunt, on my part, and I'm sure that if you just consign yourself to it being god's infallible plan that billions of people are destined to burn in hell, it's probably easier to sleep at night for the people who aren't actively trying to convert

2018-01-31 13:46:51 UTC

I don't think I'll be watching more conservative or christian youtubers just yet, though. <:ResidentSleeper:353173793830731786>

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