I see. So if people live worse under nationalism is of to blame communism, I understood it correct?

the challenge with providing free stuff to hundreds of millions of people should be quite obvious

"free"

Nationalism and communism are not opposites, or even in the same league.

second worst word in the english dictionary

the weird confusion between gratis and libre

@carlton™ who to blame then?

80 years of communism.

well yes the faults have somewhat to do with the USSR

@carlton™ why neighboring countries are doing better without nationalism?

You can't just tell a country to switch to capitalism and expect everything to work out, especially when Ukraine was a part of the USSR and economically dependent on other Soviet republics.

as I said before Ukraine relied on Russia for most things, all of the states did

They also had communism, but not as much a shithole like Ukraine,

Why do you use nationalism as an opposite to communism?

The "free socialist states" were puppets

Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.

It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.

You said there was no economy there

I won't repeat myself again, Ukraine relied on the support from Russia

Because of communism

I never said there was no economy. I said there was a shitty economy.

A shitty economy closely tied to Russia.

Yet other countries been communist and doing better than nationalist Ukraine

I JUST explained this.

Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.
It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.

Nationalism doesn't work out if countries are interdependent?

Just like with the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. All of the states that resulted from that experienced some form of turmoil, nationalism, economic crisis, or any combination of those three.

CAN U GOD DAMN NIGGERS SHUT THE FUCK UP

Do you even know what nationalism is? You continue to use it as if it's the opposite of communism.

Nationalism: Extreme love for one's country.
Communism: An economic policy.

Ukrainian nationalism is just a symptom of the larger problem that a breakup of a large state brings, just as in Austria-Hungary.

Is not a correct type of nationalism in Ukraine?

I will not repeat myself a fourth time.

1) If nationalists turn your country in shithole blame communism. 2) If the country is economically dependent nationalism won't work. 3) Is not real nationalism.

So far

Our progress

nationalism is antithetical to communism

Austria-Hungary experienced the same thing but without communism. Nationalism didn't turn any of the countries that came out of it into a shithole, it was merely symptomatic of the breakup.

^this

Hungary experienced both economic ruin and nationalism. Where was the communism?

For heavy nationalism to form, you require a sense of victimhood, such as in the Weimar republic.

Ukraine was a shithole because of communism before, but after the breakup of the USSR it didn't become more of a shithole because of nationalism. It's the same scenario.

That's not entirely true, Flavaflavius. Nationalism existed in pre-WWI imperialist states as Jingoism without the need for victimhood.

@carlton™ What do I say to my hungry family members? 75$ a month is an awesome salary? We blame not people in power who did it? We support them?

You can't just blame everything on nationalism.

Again, whenever you breakup a larger state the intricacies of its internal economy break down and everything turns to shit.

What can you blame nationalism for?

Yeah, but I meant as extreme. Like making the leap from opressing people in your colony, to lynching the guy down the street

Nazis, for one. But not Ukraine.

fuck off commies get off my yard

Kek

@carlton™ Ukraine government did nothing wrong? Why half of the country left already?

I actually came here as part of raid from /k/, but y'all are already really divided anyway.

You are deluded if you think half the entire population of a country left because of nationalism. I think THAT is symptomatic of a larger uneducated view of the topic.

@carlton™ tell me more about my country people please.

That's 2 for 2 @Ted Kaczynski Keep up the spice memes

Where is the economic basis for nationalism that allows you to assume nationalism ruined the country?

Nationalism has no economic policy.

>Nationalism has no economic policy.

This gets funnier

firefly

how fucking tarded are you

You COULD say there's implied economic policies such as protectionaism over free trade, but that's a bit of a stretch.

>implying nationalism is protectionism kek

And nothing as comprehensive as communism/capitalism.

Nationalists typically don't pursue free trade policies.

Is that the reason economy sucks in Ukraine, because nationalists have no economical policy?

And again, it's a bit of a stretch to argue for either of those.

Nationalism does create shitholes, look at 1930

No, the reason Ukraine sucks, for the fifth fucking time, is because the breakup of a larger state into smaller ones naturally upsets the balance between its former internal economy and leaves all of the resulting countries worse off than before.

@Firefly What do you think of a war going on in your country to explain bad economy ?

Germany

You're so far the first one to defend your complete failure as of right-wing.

It wasn't tolerant

so it was a shithole

not like my noble comanche ancestors, who were extremely tolerant

@Gavroche I left Ukraine before war because of the bad economy.

Oh, yes. Commanches were famously tolerant in their genocide of neighboring tribes.

@carlton™ that's racist

Racist of the Commanches, yes.

We natives did nothing wrong

I am merely providing an objective historical view.

>Natives not being completely peaceful

>pointing out historical facts
>"RASCIST!"

>objective

Stop shitposting faggot

You're the racist

@Firefly Where are you now ?

😎 Negative.

@Gavroche San-Francisco

San Francisco. Checkmate.

Hah. You thought using war to explain a bad economy would work? Nice try.

How about the american dream ?

@carlton™ they would be proserous if they were communists like my Comanche ancestors

Shut up shitposter

@carlton™ The market doesn't like wars and volatility

@carlton™ I bet you're not even a communist

I already explained that to him.