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nationalism is antithetical to communism

Austria-Hungary experienced the same thing but without communism. Nationalism didn't turn any of the countries that came out of it into a shithole, it was merely symptomatic of the breakup.

^this

Hungary experienced both economic ruin and nationalism. Where was the communism?

For heavy nationalism to form, you require a sense of victimhood, such as in the Weimar republic.

Ukraine was a shithole because of communism before, but after the breakup of the USSR it didn't become more of a shithole because of nationalism. It's the same scenario.

That's not entirely true, Flavaflavius. Nationalism existed in pre-WWI imperialist states as Jingoism without the need for victimhood.

@carlton™ What do I say to my hungry family members? 75$ a month is an awesome salary? We blame not people in power who did it? We support them?

You can't just blame everything on nationalism.

Again, whenever you breakup a larger state the intricacies of its internal economy break down and everything turns to shit.

What can you blame nationalism for?

Yeah, but I meant as extreme. Like making the leap from opressing people in your colony, to lynching the guy down the street

Nazis, for one. But not Ukraine.

fuck off commies get off my yard

Kek

@carlton™ Ukraine government did nothing wrong? Why half of the country left already?

I actually came here as part of raid from /k/, but y'all are already really divided anyway.

You are deluded if you think half the entire population of a country left because of nationalism. I think THAT is symptomatic of a larger uneducated view of the topic.

@carlton™ tell me more about my country people please.

That's 2 for 2 @Ted Kaczynski Keep up the spice memes

Where is the economic basis for nationalism that allows you to assume nationalism ruined the country?

Nationalism has no economic policy.

>Nationalism has no economic policy.

This gets funnier

firefly

how fucking tarded are you

You COULD say there's implied economic policies such as protectionaism over free trade, but that's a bit of a stretch.

>implying nationalism is protectionism kek

And nothing as comprehensive as communism/capitalism.

Nationalists typically don't pursue free trade policies.

Is that the reason economy sucks in Ukraine, because nationalists have no economical policy?

And again, it's a bit of a stretch to argue for either of those.

Nationalism does create shitholes, look at 1930

No, the reason Ukraine sucks, for the fifth fucking time, is because the breakup of a larger state into smaller ones naturally upsets the balance between its former internal economy and leaves all of the resulting countries worse off than before.

@Firefly What do you think of a war going on in your country to explain bad economy ?

Germany

You're so far the first one to defend your complete failure as of right-wing.

It wasn't tolerant