Message from @Firefly
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the weird confusion between gratis and libre
80 years of communism.
well yes the faults have somewhat to do with the USSR
@carlton™ why neighboring countries are doing better without nationalism?
You can't just tell a country to switch to capitalism and expect everything to work out, especially when Ukraine was a part of the USSR and economically dependent on other Soviet republics.
as I said before Ukraine relied on Russia for most things, all of the states did
They also had communism, but not as much a shithole like Ukraine,
Why do you use nationalism as an opposite to communism?
The "free socialist states" were puppets
Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.
It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.
You said there was no economy there
I won't repeat myself again, Ukraine relied on the support from Russia
Because of communism
I never said there was no economy. I said there was a shitty economy.
A shitty economy closely tied to Russia.
Yet other countries been communist and doing better than nationalist Ukraine
I JUST explained this.
Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.
It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.
Just like with the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. All of the states that resulted from that experienced some form of turmoil, nationalism, economic crisis, or any combination of those three.
CAN U GOD DAMN NIGGERS SHUT THE FUCK UP
Do you even know what nationalism is? You continue to use it as if it's the opposite of communism.
Nationalism: Extreme love for one's country.
Communism: An economic policy.
Ukrainian nationalism is just a symptom of the larger problem that a breakup of a large state brings, just as in Austria-Hungary.
Is not a correct type of nationalism in Ukraine?
I will not repeat myself a fourth time.
1) If nationalists turn your country in shithole blame communism. 2) If the country is economically dependent nationalism won't work. 3) Is not real nationalism.
So far
Our progress
nationalism is antithetical to communism
Austria-Hungary experienced the same thing but without communism. Nationalism didn't turn any of the countries that came out of it into a shithole, it was merely symptomatic of the breakup.
^this
Hungary experienced both economic ruin and nationalism. Where was the communism?
For heavy nationalism to form, you require a sense of victimhood, such as in the Weimar republic.
Ukraine was a shithole because of communism before, but after the breakup of the USSR it didn't become more of a shithole because of nationalism. It's the same scenario.
That's not entirely true, Flavaflavius. Nationalism existed in pre-WWI imperialist states as Jingoism without the need for victimhood.
@carlton™ What do I say to my hungry family members? 75$ a month is an awesome salary? We blame not people in power who did it? We support them?
You can't just blame everything on nationalism.
Again, whenever you breakup a larger state the intricacies of its internal economy break down and everything turns to shit.