Message from @carlton™
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I know someone whos family was shipped halfway across the country to an industrial city in the Urals
Nothing got done without bribes, even the most basic goods were shoddy or in short supply, and political repression and censorship were widespread at every point in Soviet history except towards the end.
@carlton™ Is of no matter. Important is that right-wing in power for many years and people can't pay even water and electricity.
So that makes communism okay somehow?
It makes right-wing under educated in economy.
If you put America through 80 years of communism and then suddenly made it switch to capitalism it'd be a shithole too.
Ukraine hasn't fully recovered yet from the collapse of the union
Thank 80 years of communism.
they've had to deal with poor economic management
But in Communism it was granted to them, houses and flats for free with free rent and electricity.
and besides, Ukraine had Russia to lean on for 70 years, it's a big change
but america is not a shithole before the 80 (70) years of communism
You say free rent and electricity implying there was always working electricity.
It's free for a reason. Handouts don't exist in the real world.
Nobody works for the benefit of others. That's where the Soviet system collapses.
You would be hard pressed to find a well off Soviet politician who didn't get there by stepping on others.
when something is free it doesn't mean it works as you would expect
I see. So if people live worse under nationalism is of to blame communism, I understood it correct?
the challenge with providing free stuff to hundreds of millions of people should be quite obvious
"free"
second worst word in the english dictionary
the weird confusion between gratis and libre
80 years of communism.
well yes the faults have somewhat to do with the USSR
@carlton™ why neighboring countries are doing better without nationalism?
You can't just tell a country to switch to capitalism and expect everything to work out, especially when Ukraine was a part of the USSR and economically dependent on other Soviet republics.
as I said before Ukraine relied on Russia for most things, all of the states did
They also had communism, but not as much a shithole like Ukraine,
Why do you use nationalism as an opposite to communism?
The "free socialist states" were puppets
Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.
It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.
You said there was no economy there
I won't repeat myself again, Ukraine relied on the support from Russia
Because of communism
I never said there was no economy. I said there was a shitty economy.
A shitty economy closely tied to Russia.
Yet other countries been communist and doing better than nationalist Ukraine
I JUST explained this.