Message from @carlton™
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and besides, Ukraine had Russia to lean on for 70 years, it's a big change
but america is not a shithole before the 80 (70) years of communism
You say free rent and electricity implying there was always working electricity.
It's free for a reason. Handouts don't exist in the real world.
Nobody works for the benefit of others. That's where the Soviet system collapses.
You would be hard pressed to find a well off Soviet politician who didn't get there by stepping on others.
when something is free it doesn't mean it works as you would expect
I see. So if people live worse under nationalism is of to blame communism, I understood it correct?
the challenge with providing free stuff to hundreds of millions of people should be quite obvious
"free"
Nationalism and communism are not opposites, or even in the same league.
second worst word in the english dictionary
the weird confusion between gratis and libre
80 years of communism.
well yes the faults have somewhat to do with the USSR
@carlton™ why neighboring countries are doing better without nationalism?
You can't just tell a country to switch to capitalism and expect everything to work out, especially when Ukraine was a part of the USSR and economically dependent on other Soviet republics.
as I said before Ukraine relied on Russia for most things, all of the states did
They also had communism, but not as much a shithole like Ukraine,
The "free socialist states" were puppets
Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.
It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.
You said there was no economy there
I won't repeat myself again, Ukraine relied on the support from Russia
Because of communism
I never said there was no economy. I said there was a shitty economy.
A shitty economy closely tied to Russia.
Yet other countries been communist and doing better than nationalist Ukraine
I JUST explained this.
Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.
It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.
Nationalism doesn't work out if countries are interdependent?
Just like with the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. All of the states that resulted from that experienced some form of turmoil, nationalism, economic crisis, or any combination of those three.
CAN U GOD DAMN NIGGERS SHUT THE FUCK UP
Do you even know what nationalism is? You continue to use it as if it's the opposite of communism.
Nationalism: Extreme love for one's country.
Communism: An economic policy.
Ukrainian nationalism is just a symptom of the larger problem that a breakup of a large state brings, just as in Austria-Hungary.
Is not a correct type of nationalism in Ukraine?
I will not repeat myself a fourth time.
1) If nationalists turn your country in shithole blame communism. 2) If the country is economically dependent nationalism won't work. 3) Is not real nationalism.