That's 1 for 3. Congratulations.

Im sorry, but someone saying that something is not true does not make it fact

Then why is the contrary somehow true?

I have provided evidence, to which you claim 'hurr it false lol ecks dee'

if you have evidence to counter these sources, then provide otherwise you are spouting nothing but hot air

Yes, I am the one spouting hot air.

which is rather typical of communists anyways

I'm not a communist?

Excellent ad hominem by the way.

No, I did not use my stab toward communists as evidence to prove my argument correct, therefore it is not an adhom

learn your fallacies, retard

Got it.

More non-ad hominem from the genius.

>more blithering bullshit from the communist

You are just digging a deeper hole for yourself and shitposting.

This server really needs a shitposting channel.

its funny, you like the rest of your retarded lefty niggers double down even after you are found incorrect

Still not a communist or even a lefty.

then why are you on a lefty discord?

You are also on a lefty Discord.

Guess you're a retarded lefty nigger.

is it wrong to presume that you are a lefty on a lefty discord, or at least consider you have leftist tendencies?

lol when the retarded lefty nigger doubles down after being incorrect Xd

'no u! EL EM AYE OH ECKS DEE DEE DEE'

I am not putting words in your mouth. 😃

you're just repeating things I'd said

Because you said it in a way that made it applicable to both of us.

So I was not incorrect in saying it.

holding a presumption is not the same as being wrong about a definition

Ad hominems are not different no matter where they are used

people however can be different based on location

Got it.

there is only one adhom falacy, there however is innumerable people

every one being different

fallacy fallacy

fallacy fallacy fallacy

implying the fallacy is wrong because it is a fallacy

because that fallacy is a fallacy

😌 when ur bad at shitposting

>when you're a faggot hiding out on a leftycuck discord

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So you're NOT a lefty?

You're defending lefty concepts on a lefty server, where as I am not

I have Goebbels as my pfp and have repeatedly denied being a communist. If you are still desperately holding on to the "presumption" that I'm a "lefty retard nigger" then you are doing so purely because that is what you wish to believe.

Simply because I disagree with you.

you are defending leftist ideals, with apparent knowledge on such concepts

😌 when ur still bad at shitposting

the average person does not understand or care about communism and how the USSR was filled with kikes

when you dismiss actual discussion as shitposting

What leftist ideals have I defended? Respect for honest fact-collecting and reliable sources? That's not a leftist ideal.

That's just good research.

you dont make yourself look 'intelligent'

What would inspire you to 'research' about leftist positions, on your free time?

sheer coincidence?

being a not-not communist?

The first citation from that graph is from an obscure journalist with no scholarly credentials. The secondary source is reliable, and from a Yale professor, but unfortunately from a book detailing the similarities between Stalin and Hitler's regimes. The 95% statistic comes from the obscure journalist.

playing pretend?

Honestly the Yale citation is just there to make it look legitimate.

The chart is a sham.

That sir is an adhom, you are attacking the journalist based not off his argument, but rather his credentials, which do not define his argument or his intellectual abilities

@carlton™ you are too educated for right-winger, see? Your comrades can't even believe you are one of them ^__^

something being obscured or not does not define it as correct or incorrect, either

Having no credentials and being used a primary citation is grounds for questioning the legitimacy of a statistic that is by a factor of 19 larger than records directly from the Soviet government, no ad hom.

The truth doesn't suddenly vanish when someone says you are not allowed to

anyone can research anything, and as a result regardless of credentials, you are playing a fool by dismissing it just because of the lack of credentials

And @Firefly right-wingers can be educated. There are plenty of educated people from all parts of the political spectrum.

I have met loads of Nazis who defend their positions in very educated manners.

@carlton™ If that would be true Ukraine wouldn't be a shithole.

Is already how many years right-wing owns Ukraine?

Ukraine was a shithole when it was owned by communists.

It was one of the most developing region of USSR with vast investitions and industry.

One of the most developed regions maybe, but still a shithole.

Soviet communism is perhaps the largest failure of any economic system in recent history.

Ask any former Soviet citizen.

People there could pay rent

Now they can't

I'm a Soviet Citizen from Ukraine.

Countries naturally develop over time

the expansion of Soviet infrastructure was to be expected from any country

it's not some great big win for Socialism

I have never met anyone who lived in the USSR or any Eastern Bloc country particularly who advocated for Soviet communism.

It was exploitative at all levels except for the highest echelons of what can only be described as an aristocracy.

I know someone whos family was shipped halfway across the country to an industrial city in the Urals

Nothing got done without bribes, even the most basic goods were shoddy or in short supply, and political repression and censorship were widespread at every point in Soviet history except towards the end.

@carlton™ Is of no matter. Important is that right-wing in power for many years and people can't pay even water and electricity.

So that makes communism okay somehow?

It makes right-wing under educated in economy.

If you put America through 80 years of communism and then suddenly made it switch to capitalism it'd be a shithole too.

Ukraine hasn't fully recovered yet from the collapse of the union

Thank 80 years of communism.

they've had to deal with poor economic management

But in Communism it was granted to them, houses and flats for free with free rent and electricity.

and besides, Ukraine had Russia to lean on for 70 years, it's a big change

but america is not a shithole before the 80 (70) years of communism

You say free rent and electricity implying there was always working electricity.

It's free for a reason. Handouts don't exist in the real world.

Nobody works for the benefit of others. That's where the Soviet system collapses.

You would be hard pressed to find a well off Soviet politician who didn't get there by stepping on others.

when something is free it doesn't mean it works as you would expect