I never said there was no economy. I said there was a shitty economy.

A shitty economy closely tied to Russia.

Yet other countries been communist and doing better than nationalist Ukraine

I JUST explained this.

Ukraine was closely tied to the Russian economy because it was the breadbasket of the USSR.
It was naturally more dependent. When you take it away and make it its own country, it doesn't work out.

Nationalism doesn't work out if countries are interdependent?

Just like with the dissolution of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. All of the states that resulted from that experienced some form of turmoil, nationalism, economic crisis, or any combination of those three.

CAN U GOD DAMN NIGGERS SHUT THE FUCK UP

Do you even know what nationalism is? You continue to use it as if it's the opposite of communism.

Nationalism: Extreme love for one's country.
Communism: An economic policy.

Ukrainian nationalism is just a symptom of the larger problem that a breakup of a large state brings, just as in Austria-Hungary.

Is not a correct type of nationalism in Ukraine?

I will not repeat myself a fourth time.

1) If nationalists turn your country in shithole blame communism. 2) If the country is economically dependent nationalism won't work. 3) Is not real nationalism.

So far

Our progress

nationalism is antithetical to communism

Austria-Hungary experienced the same thing but without communism. Nationalism didn't turn any of the countries that came out of it into a shithole, it was merely symptomatic of the breakup.

^this

Hungary experienced both economic ruin and nationalism. Where was the communism?

For heavy nationalism to form, you require a sense of victimhood, such as in the Weimar republic.

Ukraine was a shithole because of communism before, but after the breakup of the USSR it didn't become more of a shithole because of nationalism. It's the same scenario.

That's not entirely true, Flavaflavius. Nationalism existed in pre-WWI imperialist states as Jingoism without the need for victimhood.

@carlton™ What do I say to my hungry family members? 75$ a month is an awesome salary? We blame not people in power who did it? We support them?

You can't just blame everything on nationalism.

Again, whenever you breakup a larger state the intricacies of its internal economy break down and everything turns to shit.

What can you blame nationalism for?

Yeah, but I meant as extreme. Like making the leap from opressing people in your colony, to lynching the guy down the street

Nazis, for one. But not Ukraine.

fuck off commies get off my yard

Kek

@carlton™ Ukraine government did nothing wrong? Why half of the country left already?

I actually came here as part of raid from /k/, but y'all are already really divided anyway.

You are deluded if you think half the entire population of a country left because of nationalism. I think THAT is symptomatic of a larger uneducated view of the topic.

@carlton™ tell me more about my country people please.

That's 2 for 2 @Ted Kaczynski Keep up the spice memes

Where is the economic basis for nationalism that allows you to assume nationalism ruined the country?

Nationalism has no economic policy.

>Nationalism has no economic policy.

This gets funnier