Not that you think as a class

@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.

But I would like to develop a class.

are you aware and can you see the bullshit caused by a class sytem?

the oppression directly linked to it?

@Dirty Red yes

If yes, then you are class consciousnesses

@Dirty Red nope

Why so?

It is not a Marxist definition

Ah

I use a different definition then

Apologies

I go off this definition: "awareness of one's place in a system of social class, especially (in Marxist terms) as it relates to the class struggle"

Class consciousness is the maturity and self-reliance, sovereignty of the class of Proletariat.

It is also an active force of organization.

Interesting

I'm not in the class and I don't have the consciousness of a proletarian.

But I wish to work for that class. As it is the future.

So what is your relation to the means of production?

@Dirty Red I have income from capital.

sorry m8, this answer confuses me

if you make 50%+ of your income thru capital ownership you're a petit bourgeoisie

in general

Then to help the proles one would have to relinquish control of the capital and give it to the workers and yourself to own as a collective.

Am I right in saying this?

not perse, you could also use the income for agitation or organisation

@Dirty Red nope, Marx and Engels criticized this as useless move and a waste.

@Dirty Red Bolsheviks had undercover business in Russia.

So destroy capitalism using capitalism against the capitalists?

@Dirty Red yes

So own a business but use it as a front to fund a communist org?

Interesting tactic

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props the most effective means to accumulate capital

@Dirty Red Party can sustain any business.

What kind of business are we talking about?

@AngryChekist any.

Nuclear energy, Space Travel.

Well, if you run a b2c business you could subvert consumers by spreading well placed propaganda

Depends on what you do ofc

People would argue "A capitalist company having pro-comm propaganda?! Such hypocrisy!"

The best propaganda is the one consumers are not even aware of buddy

i unfortunatly spend 4 years of my life learning marketing

lol

A worker co-op would work no?

co-op's would propably be the best at spreading ideology

im sad american libertarians ruined that phrase

@Sorghagtani Beki

@petit bourgeois Let's show them this image

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>tfw this server still has no tags or vetting

agreed

Anyone wanna joing a cold war RP?

@Deleted User whats that?

owo which one

lol what's vetting in this context

are there any rules for this server I should know?

@Deleted User no child porn, no spam.

simple enough

Are the people here organized?

@ShadyMarxist A game where you roleplay as nations from the cold war

@Albi very disorganized.

I meant as in *are the individuals of leftypol organized in parties/unions/whatever* btw

@Albi most here are very young.

oh well

Remember kids, organize, agitate, educate

**

@Albi same it is to you. Educate

organize

agitate

https://youtu.be/qxQ6E1v2Rq4

"Be sure to, within Marxist ideological framework, prepare to deny personal responsibility for your actions, and/or repeat the lie that the end justifies the mean"

Greatest discord server for those who wish to debate with other leftists/the occasional moderate https://discord.gg/VeS7meG

whomst the owner?

gommunism :DDD

Clearly this discord must enter a period of revolution.

I deny the Holocaust and the Holodomor

Holocaust would have been justified if only Ukrainians fell victim

http://i.imgur.com/BnlzkhU.jpg

I'm not joking

thats what makes it edgy

listen

you guys are more human than that last discord server posted here

they failed the _first_ humanity test

im now seeing the gradations of socialism

though to be fair i was much harsher there

"marx is retarded;socialism is mlp fandom"

What is a good way to learn russian?

There's no definite good way

Just use as many ways as you can use at once

Seems an eminently logical answer.

thx

Well I could've said what I meant by saying find it out yourself don't be lazy

And that's the direction I likely would have taken.