@Dirty Red I'm petite-burger.

@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.

@Dirty Red How can i develop class consciousness?

i mean am referring to class consciousnesses as in you are aware of the whole class system and it's bullshittery

Not that you think as a class

@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.

But I would like to develop a class.

are you aware and can you see the bullshit caused by a class sytem?

the oppression directly linked to it?

@Dirty Red yes

If yes, then you are class consciousnesses

@Dirty Red nope

Why so?

It is not a Marxist definition

Ah

I use a different definition then

Apologies

I go off this definition: "awareness of one's place in a system of social class, especially (in Marxist terms) as it relates to the class struggle"

Class consciousness is the maturity and self-reliance, sovereignty of the class of Proletariat.

It is also an active force of organization.

Interesting

I'm not in the class and I don't have the consciousness of a proletarian.

But I wish to work for that class. As it is the future.

So what is your relation to the means of production?

@Dirty Red I have income from capital.

sorry m8, this answer confuses me

if you make 50%+ of your income thru capital ownership you're a petit bourgeoisie

in general

Then to help the proles one would have to relinquish control of the capital and give it to the workers and yourself to own as a collective.

Am I right in saying this?

not perse, you could also use the income for agitation or organisation

@Dirty Red nope, Marx and Engels criticized this as useless move and a waste.

@Dirty Red Bolsheviks had undercover business in Russia.

So destroy capitalism using capitalism against the capitalists?

@Dirty Red yes

So own a business but use it as a front to fund a communist org?

Interesting tactic

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props the most effective means to accumulate capital

@Dirty Red Party can sustain any business.

What kind of business are we talking about?