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Is this place still being attacked

I heard from the other leftypol that people were doxxing this

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Hey, what do communists think about social programs in the EU

They kind of avoided the Great Depression because they were not economically connected with most of the world

I don't think Stalin is a good example for socialists to refer to

the growth was because he devoted his economy to hard industry

it says nothing about living conditions

There was no Great Depression, yet living conditions were just as bad

Stalin should not be considered as a good role model

in fact he should be thought of as a destroyer of socialism

what would Lenin have thought of Stalin becoming dictator?

In fact he specifically said he did not want that

communism cannot happen without industrialization first

Stalin tried to rapidly industrialize, at the cost of what?

communism has always been meant to serve the people, not the state

state worship is fascism

the people were not served under Stalin

that's why so many Ukranians starved

partitioning of poland

he is nothing but a man working for his own image

he rules through a character

Yes, I'm sure that the Polish really enjoyed having the soviets form an agreement with the Nazis to take half the country

The clauses of the Nazi-Soviet Pact provided a written guarantee of non-belligerence by each party towards the other, and a declared commitment that neither government would ally itself to, or aid, an enemy of the other party. In addition to stipulations of non-aggression, the treaty included a secret protocol that divided territories of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, and Romania, into German and Soviet "spheres of influence", anticipating "territorial and political rearrangements" of these countries. Thereafter, Germany invaded Poland on 1 September 1939. Soviet Union leader Joseph Stalin ordered the Soviet invasion of Poland on 17 September; one day after a Soviet-Japanese ceasefire at the Khalkhin Gol came into effect.[6] In November, parts of the Karelia and Salla regions in Finland were annexed by the Soviet Union after the Winter War. This was followed by Soviet annexations of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and parts of Romania (Bessarabia, Northern Bukovina, and the Hertza region). Advertised concern about ethnic Ukrainians and Belarusians had been proffered as justification for the Soviet invasion of Poland. Stalin's invasion of Bukovina in 1940 violated the pact, as it went beyond the Soviet sphere of influence agreed with the Axis.[7]

Brackman, Roman The Secret File of Joseph Stalin: A Hidden Life (2001) p. 341

Do you support his gulags and his executions of political opponents?

But of course Russia still accepts one North Korean labor camp

in siberia

Do you support his gulags and his executions of political opponents?

Kuromiya, Hiroaki (July 2014). "Stalin's Great Terror and the Asian Nexus". Europe-Asia Studies. 66 (5): 787.

tens of thousands of anti revolutionaries executed

and that's only in Mongolia

tens of thousands of people

guilty of what?

political disagreements?

Yes, but the source I linked you talked about executions of supposed anti revolutionaries

tens of thousands alone in Mongolia

not to mention repression of culture in Mongolia

NKVD advisors in Mongolia

it was from 1937-39

Russian historian Oleg V. Khlevniuk states "…theories about the elemental, spontaneous nature of the terror, about a loss of central control over the course of mass repression, and about the role of regional leaders in initiating the terror are simply not supported by the historical record."[92] Stalin personally directed Yezhov to torture those who were not making proper confessions. In one instance, he told Yezhov "Isn't it time to squeeze this gentleman and force him to report on his dirty little business? Where is he: in a prison or a hotel?" In another, while reviewing one of Yezhov's lists, he added to M. I. Baranov’s name, "beat, beat!"[93]

Oleg V. Khlevniuk. Master of the House: Stalin and His Inner Circle. Yale University Press, 2008. ISBN 0-300-11066-9 p. xix

In addition to authorizing torture, Stalin also signed 357 lists in 1937 and 1938 authorizing executions of some 40,000 people, and about 90% of these are confirmed to have been shot.[94] While reviewing one such list, Stalin reportedly muttered to no one in particular: "Who's going to remember all this riff-raff in ten or twenty years time? No one. Who remembers the names now of the boyars Ivan the Terrible got rid of? No one."[95] Stalin's alleged remark may be compared with Hitler's famous admonition to his generals in 1939: "Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"[96]

Michael Ellman, Stalin and the Soviet Famine of 1932–33 Revisited Europe-Asia Studies, Routledge. Vol. 59, No. 4, June 2007, 663–693. PDF file

Quoted in Dmitri Volkogonov, Stalin: Triumph and Tragedy (New York, 1991), pg 210.

Richard J. Evans (4 November 2010). "Who remembers the Poles?". London Review of Books. 32 (21). Retrieved 4 February 2012.

Did Stalin give a response?

I am asking if Stalin even tolerated Yezhov's atrocities

Do you have anything that would imply that Stalin was critical of Yezhov?

and attempted to prevent the massacres?

Yezhov's refusal to admit to a conspiracy against Stalin's life and his long, verifiable history as Stalin's primary inquisitor during the Great Purge made him too dangerous to risk at a public show trial where he might betray Stalin's secrets or successfully expose Stalin's orchestration of the Purge.

Sebag-Montefiore, 203.

Was he tortured for those responses?

Many people have admitted to witchcraft under torture

Yezhov claimed that many of his confessions were obtained under torture

He denied being a spy, conspirator, or terrorist

He did say that he killed many people, but justified it that they were enemies of the people

Yezhov claimed himself that those confessions were given under torture

yes, his confessions of being a spy, according to himself, were confessed through torture

Where can we find proof that he was tortured? We have to realize his claims of being tortured for information

and if that is true, those claims cannot be trusted

because plenty of people have confessed to witchcraft under torture

and people who confess to witchcraft, we too cannot give evidence of specific people being tortured

we just know that torture was used to garner confessions out of many people who confessed to witchcraft

Jansen and Petrov, Stalin's Loyal Executioner, p. 187-188.

We also have evidence of soviet torture methods

sure, a specific person who confessed witchcraft can claim later they did it under torture

no proof for them in particular

he said on the basis of accusations of terrorism, espionage, and conspiracy, that he preferred death to telling lies

and that previous confessions were obtained under torture

He confessed at the trial that the executing of those 14,000 people was true

and justified it through the idea that they were enemies of the people

however, at that same trial he denied espionage, terrorism, and conspiracy

and claimed those confessions were obtained through torture

maybe he believed they were actually enemies of the people

there is no way that can be known

We have a lot of evidence of soviet torture in investigations

It is not unbelievable that Yezhov would have been tortured himself

Why would he admit to those things?

Why would he freely condemn himself to death?

Surely he knew that if he stated those things, including conspiracy against Stalin, there would be absolutely no hope left for his survival

@ShadyMarxist we are discussing whether Yezhov conspired against Stalin to be executed under those reasonings

However, Yezhov claimed that previous confessions were obtained through torture

Torture biases confessions

The soviets most clearly did when they tortured Yezhov into giving them

Before this, there was also discussion on why Yezhov was executed in the first place

and if it had been for mass killings, why use fabricated excuses?

There was plenty of evidence of Yezhov's massacres

It was a discussion on whether Stalin remained apathetic to Yezhov or openly opposed his manners of executions

and so far I have not gotten evidence to disprove an apathetic air

or confirm a concerned disposition

It is interesting that many people cannot say anything about Obama's motives

but that is a result of political apathy, and blind opinion

many liberals may try to ignore criticism

many conservatives in america may assume things

It has nothing to do with discussion on Stalin

I feel that he had good motives, but so does everyone

When looking at Stalin, you have to examine the cost of his goals