Message from @AngryChekist
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But I would like to develop a class.
are you aware and can you see the bullshit caused by a class sytem?
the oppression directly linked to it?
@Dirty Red yes
If yes, then you are class consciousnesses
@Dirty Red nope
Why so?
It is not a Marxist definition
Ah
I use a different definition then
Apologies
I go off this definition: "awareness of one's place in a system of social class, especially (in Marxist terms) as it relates to the class struggle"
Class consciousness is the maturity and self-reliance, sovereignty of the class of Proletariat.
It is also an active force of organization.
Interesting
I'm not in the class and I don't have the consciousness of a proletarian.
But I wish to work for that class. As it is the future.
So what is your relation to the means of production?
@Dirty Red I have income from capital.
sorry m8, this answer confuses me
in general
Then to help the proles one would have to relinquish control of the capital and give it to the workers and yourself to own as a collective.
Am I right in saying this?
not perse, you could also use the income for agitation or organisation
@Dirty Red nope, Marx and Engels criticized this as useless move and a waste.
@Dirty Red Bolsheviks had undercover business in Russia.
So destroy capitalism using capitalism against the capitalists?
@Dirty Red yes
So own a business but use it as a front to fund a communist org?
Interesting tactic
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props the most effective means to accumulate capital
@Dirty Red Party can sustain any business.
What kind of business are we talking about?
@AngryChekist any.
Nuclear energy, Space Travel.
Well, if you run a b2c business you could subvert consumers by spreading well placed propaganda
Depends on what you do ofc
People would argue "A capitalist company having pro-comm propaganda?! Such hypocrisy!"
The best propaganda is the one consumers are not even aware of buddy