Message from @Echo
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One doesn't directly lead to the other
or that the outcome would benefit the people
Organization directly lead to the class consciousness.
Not nessecarily
A nazi org for instance leads to assholes fighting everyone else
An uneducated org leads to it being hijacked
@Dirty Red the communist organization.
A communist organization specifically, needs some form of class consciousness to be able to form in the first place
@Dirty Red Individual consciousness is not class consciousnesses.
Individual consciousness
What is meant by this?
@Dirty Red I'm petite-burger.
@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.
@Dirty Red How can i develop class consciousness?
i mean am referring to class consciousnesses as in you are aware of the whole class system and it's bullshittery
Not that you think as a class
@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.
But I would like to develop a class.
are you aware and can you see the bullshit caused by a class sytem?
the oppression directly linked to it?
If yes, then you are class consciousnesses
@Dirty Red nope
Why so?
It is not a Marxist definition
Ah
I use a different definition then
Apologies
I go off this definition: "awareness of one's place in a system of social class, especially (in Marxist terms) as it relates to the class struggle"
Class consciousness is the maturity and self-reliance, sovereignty of the class of Proletariat.
It is also an active force of organization.
Interesting
I'm not in the class and I don't have the consciousness of a proletarian.
But I wish to work for that class. As it is the future.
So what is your relation to the means of production?
@Dirty Red I have income from capital.
sorry m8, this answer confuses me
if you make 50%+ of your income thru capital ownership you're a petit bourgeoisie
in general
Then to help the proles one would have to relinquish control of the capital and give it to the workers and yourself to own as a collective.
Am I right in saying this?