ayy comrades

So... any aussies here?

aww

The left needs a major revival in australia tho

Across the world even

It's so frustrating to have political discussion brushed off as "complicated"

or "stupid"

Meh

really

rampant neoliberals

The people I saw at a "Marxist Convention" seemed not to even be that far left

Syndicalism hold the anarcho bit

melbourne this is

Uhh

They don't really seem that active

as in the mainstream media has NO coverage

on em

There's socialist alternative

the organizers of the MC

Then the CPA

Communist party of aus

http://www.cpa.org.au/

Not much really

Just lookin to try spread class consciousness to people i work with

Socialist Alliance from what I've seen aint HARD LEFT

And according to some, the unions over here don't do shit.

Planning to join CPA

Tru tru

I prioritize wide-spread class consciousness tho

eventually leads to larger organisations

But that in itself if hard due to political apathy

1. People see the bullshit the bourgeoisie do

2. Said people feel outraged

3. People then seek to fight the upper class

4. They organise

Rage at the capitalists will eventually be bad for the capitalists no?

This is assuming that the rage is appropriately directed toward them

I guess same logic applies

1. People see the bullshit the oligarchs do

2. Said people feel outraged

Etc

Interesting

If they really had class consciousness they would see putin or trump are the oligarchs

thus see them as dickheads

So then it seems dialectics has one it's job.

Class consciousness and organization must both happen

One doesn't directly lead to the other

or that the outcome would benefit the people

Not nessecarily

A nazi org for instance leads to assholes fighting everyone else

An uneducated org leads to it being hijacked

A communist organization specifically, needs some form of class consciousness to be able to form in the first place

Individual consciousness

What is meant by this?

i mean am referring to class consciousnesses as in you are aware of the whole class system and it's bullshittery

Not that you think as a class

are you aware and can you see the bullshit caused by a class sytem?

the oppression directly linked to it?

If yes, then you are class consciousnesses

Why so?

Ah

I use a different definition then

Apologies

I go off this definition: "awareness of one's place in a system of social class, especially (in Marxist terms) as it relates to the class struggle"

Interesting

So what is your relation to the means of production?

sorry m8, this answer confuses me

Then to help the proles one would have to relinquish control of the capital and give it to the workers and yourself to own as a collective.

Am I right in saying this?

So destroy capitalism using capitalism against the capitalists?

So own a business but use it as a front to fund a communist org?

Interesting tactic

People would argue "A capitalist company having pro-comm propaganda?! Such hypocrisy!"

lol

A worker co-op would work no?

Noice

fucking

hokey

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FUCK

ITS UGLY

EWW

FUCKING RABBOTT

sorry

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