lmao

huh, i thought you were joking when you said he was an AI @Sorghagtani Beki

@Donny He is plotting the enslavement of mankind

you know

after we die, he will torture us

but only because you now know he is an AI

once you know, you have to support him

just like "i have no mouth and i must scream"?

or you will be tortured

no

horrible, horrible, unimaginable torture

unless you devote yourself to helping him in his goal of world conquest

look up roko's basilisk

interesting

bonjour amigos

ayy comrades

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK3omtLTScI

mornin

hola

So... any aussies here?

@Dirty Red mostly americanski

@Dirty Red Some English

aww

The left needs a major revival in australia tho

Across the world even

It's so frustrating to have political discussion brushed off as "complicated"

@Dirty Red Tell us about situation in Australia.

or "stupid"

Meh

really

rampant neoliberals

@Dirty Red what situation is on the left?

The people I saw at a "Marxist Convention" seemed not to even be that far left

Syndicalism hold the anarcho bit

@Dirty Red what are active groups and parties?

melbourne this is

Uhh

They don't really seem that active

as in the mainstream media has NO coverage

on em

There's socialist alternative

the organizers of the MC

Then the CPA

Communist party of aus

http://www.cpa.org.au/

Tell us what you know about them.

Not much really

they look alright

Just lookin to try spread class consciousness to people i work with

always encourage union membership, comrade

Socialist Alliance from what I've seen aint HARD LEFT

And according to some, the unions over here don't do shit.

@Dirty Red join the organization, they will share experience with you.

Planning to join CPA

Organization is better than no organization.

Tru tru

I prioritize wide-spread class consciousness tho

eventually leads to larger organisations

But that in itself if hard due to political apathy

@Dirty Red how does it lead to larger organizations?

1. People see the bullshit the bourgeoisie do

2. Said people feel outraged

3. People then seek to fight the upper class

4. They organise

What if said people are fucked by the capitalists after the rage? Like in Ukraine.

Like in Egypt.

Like in Lybia

Rage at the capitalists will eventually be bad for the capitalists no?

This is assuming that the rage is appropriately directed toward them

@Dirty Red Not sure. Oligarchy rules Ukraine now openly.

I guess same logic applies

1. People see the bullshit the oligarchs do

2. Said people feel outraged

Etc

No, when they feel outraged they vote Trump

or Putin

Interesting

Oligarhs

If they really had class consciousness they would see putin or trump are the oligarchs

thus see them as dickheads

But they don't.

Without organization they won't.

Without the Party.

So then it seems dialectics has one it's job.

Class consciousness and organization must both happen

One doesn't directly lead to the other

or that the outcome would benefit the people

Organization directly lead to the class consciousness.

Not nessecarily

A nazi org for instance leads to assholes fighting everyone else

An uneducated org leads to it being hijacked

@Dirty Red the communist organization.

A communist organization specifically, needs some form of class consciousness to be able to form in the first place

@Dirty Red Individual consciousness is not class consciousnesses.

Individual consciousness

What is meant by this?

@Dirty Red I'm petite-burger.

@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.

@Dirty Red How can i develop class consciousness?

i mean am referring to class consciousnesses as in you are aware of the whole class system and it's bullshittery