Message from @Echo
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Without organization they won't.
Without the Party.
So then it seems dialectics has one it's job.
Class consciousness and organization must both happen
One doesn't directly lead to the other
or that the outcome would benefit the people
Organization directly lead to the class consciousness.
Not nessecarily
A nazi org for instance leads to assholes fighting everyone else
An uneducated org leads to it being hijacked
@Dirty Red the communist organization.
A communist organization specifically, needs some form of class consciousness to be able to form in the first place
@Dirty Red Individual consciousness is not class consciousnesses.
Individual consciousness
What is meant by this?
@Dirty Red I'm petite-burger.
@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.
@Dirty Red How can i develop class consciousness?
i mean am referring to class consciousnesses as in you are aware of the whole class system and it's bullshittery
Not that you think as a class
But I would like to develop a class.
are you aware and can you see the bullshit caused by a class sytem?
the oppression directly linked to it?
@Dirty Red yes
If yes, then you are class consciousnesses
@Dirty Red nope
Why so?
It is not a Marxist definition
Ah
I use a different definition then
Apologies
I go off this definition: "awareness of one's place in a system of social class, especially (in Marxist terms) as it relates to the class struggle"
Class consciousness is the maturity and self-reliance, sovereignty of the class of Proletariat.
It is also an active force of organization.
Interesting
I'm not in the class and I don't have the consciousness of a proletarian.
But I wish to work for that class. As it is the future.
So what is your relation to the means of production?
@Dirty Red I have income from capital.
sorry m8, this answer confuses me