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“Antifa da worst!!!”
@Weez Yeah, firebombing an ICE facility is hella bad
Violently-Assaulting people is also hella bad
@Boop / 브파 / C'thUwU Actually, there was a study done **fairly** recently (within the last 6 months IIRC) that showed that the Democrat and Republican parties are further Left and Right (respectively) than the majority of European parties
AFAIK, the Democratic Party was fairly close to LABOUR
The democratic party has been leaning massively to the left, while the republicans have been mostly staying the same, with a little bit of shift toward the center and right.
@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck well no shit Europe has no values or principles
The conservatives in Britain are still lefties
Same everywhere else
My litmus test for a free country is how easily and legally one can one weapons.
From knives to nukes
You could say that somila is the most free country in the world.
Because it doesn't or did not have a government
Us is pretty free but not free enough
>LibDems are comparable to Democrats
Britain has less freedom than russia
My litmus test works
LOOK HOW MUCH THE DEMOCRAT PARTY HAS GONE TO THE LEFT
The world as a whole has gone that far to the left. Republicans is one of the few parties resisting it.
>When being a Christian pushes your party farther to the right
>Free Enterprise is Right-Wing
you mean farther towards God? 😏
If Constitutionality is right wing then we need to gas the left unironicly. Civil War is good at that point.
@Tonight at 11 - DOOM
>saying that you want help from God means you're Right-Wing
>being Pro-Constitution means you're Right-Wing
>committing yourself to American ideals is Right-Wing
@SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck it's called being a constitutionalist dumbass
I would know
I am one
Commiting yourself to American ideals is pretty soy, ngl
Committing to ideals is pretty soy
So I guess kill yourself or be soy
Or be a faggot
One of the two
nah, the problem is not comiting yourself to ideas, the problem is this particular set of *soy* ideas.
And pray tell what is a non soy set of ideas?
I mean I'm mostly meming to get an angry Mutt reaction, but I do object to the idea of rights being inherent to persons. Less on the grounds of it being 'soy' and more on the grounds of it being a fallacious description of the human condition.
Do you mean practically or philosophically?
If philosophy does not work in practice it is worthless
The founders mean that over history people have rights that they have to have or they Rebel.
Without an effective dictatorship
I don;t care what you think your mythical founders thought, pls tell me what u think.
this lady 👌
I think that you must have certain rights or you have no rights
A right to a weapon means a right to self defense means a right to life.
rights arent rights if they can just be taken away
That would be inherent rights
Most rights can be taken away
then they arent rights
a right is something that cant be taken away
Ever hear of civil rights? Not civil privileges.
the fundamental thing of civil rights is that people are created equal
In a day and age with slavery
Rights not privileges
slaves didnt have rights taken away
they gained them
Was every person a slave?
How can you gain rights?
If you cannot lose them?
its a good question
i dont have the words to exactly answer that
i still think it is different, maybe to do with natural right vs law given rights
but i cant at the moment formulate the right words so you got me there
Slaves weren't considered people, thus didn't have a person's rights.
But they became people
Did they not?
depends if you still vote for the Dems in 2020
I really don;t see how a right to life could ever be conceived of as inherent. Life is not something you just get by default. You are an organism with very specific requirements... It's just not *accurate* to say you just *have* that right.
Then there are no rights
so we got over that hurdle
think defining what a Right is would be good here
This is Thomas Paine type shit.
I think all animals possess the instinct and right to seek their own self preservation. Which is to say you would not fault a goat for fleeing a wolf; Nor a ram for fighting one.
On the other hand, i might actually be inclined to agree that no one has a right to life, in so far as their existence needs must rely on the alienation of the labor of others.
Just because you wish to live does not make theft legal, in simple terms.
my biggest gripe is with freedom specifically
it;s a massive undertaking to make yourself *vaguely* free in any meaningful sense
but stealing is depriving others of their rights to their own labour/ their possessions they bought with that labour
saying you are inherently free is nonsensical to the extreme
meanwhile, alternatives are available
You cannot argue for the existence of a right to existence while trying to make claims to the efforts of others without a mutual exchange of goods or labor, or the currency which represents it.
a baby is not free
it;s not even able to get to the concept of freedom on its own
i think that with the fact people dont starve and dehydrate if they arent trying to do those things
is enough of a supplies Right to life
anything more than that would be depriving others of rights
when it comes to medicine, you just go in debt for it, which doesnt necessarily conflict with a right to life
but because self sustaining needs are supplied for to maintain Life, you now have to deal with Liberty
thus defined a right to life is something fucking peasants had, at least formally, in the middle ages
one of the stipulations of which is that you cant steal
because its the taking of other's liberty
no random killing o ppl for no reason is not exactly an innovative, Liberal concept...
to own things
I mean peasants often did just get sort of killed in the street for now bowing low enough.
eh, not rly
das far too much of a cliche
apparently thats still the case but with wokeness
sometimes they did
but it was always seen as an outrage
at least in Chritsianland
there were fucking RIOTS over a student getting killed by police under Louis IX of France
it caused international outrage
Outside of the confines of a social hierarchy, a human being knows no master; They speak as they see fit, defend themselves as they see fit, and conduct themselves as they see fit. From that state, 'Natural Rights' spring forth. You needs must be free to protect yourself and speak your mind, else you are little more than a serf.
Where the others come from is an agreed upon selection of codified Legal Rights, as determined by the precise nature of the social contract that people form together.
From that state, 'Natural Rights' spring forth.
what does that mean?
what does 'spring up' form that state?
also: what the fuck is outside of social hierarchy?
When stripped of the presence of other human beings, there is no external force to forcibly silence you or strip from your means of self-defense short of violent death at the hands of a local predator. There is no beam of magic light that smites you when you say a naughty word; No fines for killing that bobcat with a boulder.
ok, but that is just gay abstraction
but thats a different story all together
with little to no incidence on everyday life
Everyday life now is very much removed from man's original state, you know.
and I don see how it makes your rights inherent
man's original state is nothing like the ppl who wrote that shit thought, you know?
they were Rousseauian noble savage kinds
yet so similar
that was 'in' at the time
and we pretty much know that that is bullshit
men never lived alone
we're pack animals
with psychologies evolved to be like that
society is not second to human nature, they are one and the same
We are by our very natures lonely, social creatures, yes. Socializing and society are not one in the same I would argue, however. I've never seen a gorilla tax another gorilla.
the nature has changed
we still go out into the wilderness, and chase after food
I mean gorillas are not humans, so sure
I'm not saying they are
its just the wilderness is an office cube, and you get something you trade in for snackies
I'm saying this 'what human is in abstraction ofrom society' mode of thinking is inherently flawed
and the ladies like it when you have more snackies than the chimp next door
because ther eis no such thin as a human outside of society
at least not outside of weird fringe cases
that probably end in mental illness
Plenty of people keep trying to escape society, at least. Not that I can fault them for it.
society at large is like a troupe
like with lions, the male ones sometimes think the society is shit
and make their own
stalk the edges of other socieities, and try to sneak in some humpa humpa
but since societies are so big now
its not wonder globalism is being resisted how it is
imagine not being able to go anywhere different
like if i moved to the US, id have to choose one that has laws i agree with, and also has the temperature and weather how i like it
I'm happy to live in a place with a culture I enjoy, within the US.
id enjoy my culture if it wasnt apparently satanic to do so
Close, in the eyes of the usual suspects.
anytime an american says they live in a facsist state im like please dont insult me
Having an appreciation for the culture that spawned you and your own national heritage is apparently a very great deal of buzzwords.
the only answer is diversity training for the entire population!
we must instill the ignorant with the correct perspectives on outgroups
In my opinion it was a shit article, but not even an iota as racist as it's made out to be. Just thick headed.
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It isn’t censorship when it’s hate speech. It’s following the rules of the Canadian charter of rights. People can’t just spew what they want in Canada. Thankfully, we don’t really want to go down that rabbit hole do we?
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Censorship is when the state gets involved and decides what can and cannot be published. Unless I missed something, I don't think that word means what you think it means.
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Folks who are saying "what, you can't tolerate dissenting viewpoints"/complaining it got removed: the editor in chief of the goddamn paper admitted on Twitter last night that he hadn't read the piece before it was published and that he made a huge mistake. This wasn't removed due to pressure or "censorship" or any of those populist drivel insinuations, it was removed because it was a shitty op-ed with lax standards and zero credibility.
The guy isn't a professor. He doesn't have a lick of expertise in foreign policy or immigration reform. His place is in letters to the editor, not an op-ed in a paper with a six figure circulation.
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When common sense becomes inflammatory taboo breaking you may have a problem on your hands.^^
But but but it's not censorship! The newspaper took the paper down itself!
I rly don care weather it's censorship or not
The the the article didn't met journalistic standards you racist!!! - Leftie
It's about the taboo being toxic
All societies have taboos because you cannot reasonably expect public ideology to have all the answers all of the time
But some taboos are worse then others
If your taboo is so blatantly toxic like this one
Your public ideology might need changing, is all I'm saying
Let me get this straight, the idea of a "good" immigrant according to Hecht is one who is completely whitewashed into Canadian society? Leave behind your past, your cultural identity, everything that was who you were before moving to Canada?
And what is Canadian anyway? British? French? Christian? Catholic? Loggers? Oil diggers? Someone please tell me what is expected of an immigrant in Canada.
Let me share my story. I am an Asian man, born and raised in Canada. I barely speak Chinese, and I can't read or write it. I've never even been to China or anywhere in Asia before. My parents immigrated here in the 60's and due to personal private reasons, my mom was never able to learn English, but my dad did. He integrated into society like a good citizen.
Here I am, more Canadian than Asian. I can barely converse with my own mother. Never been to Asia. But because of my Asian appearance, I STILL fucking experience racism. Granted not as much as a new immigrant, but still.
I am Canadian. I live and breathe and bleed Canada. I am living proof that immigration works according to Hecht's lofty standards, but I will never be accepted. The fact that he wrote this opinion letter is proof that he has discounted me and others like me in Canada.
Just to note though, I have lived up to it, but I don't agree with his immigration ideals. I think diversity is good, and Canada has a responsibility to adopt to immigrant cultures as much as immigrants should adopt to Canada. It's symbiosis, not assimilation.
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How did that racist garbage article get published? Ethnic diversity is like eye colour diversity, something that has no effect on societal cohesion and everyone that's not racist should know that. As far as immigration goes, every study I've seen indicates that the intake levels are manageable at 1% from our population, and we are currently doing that. Integration is successful for the most part ; as long as we insist on instilling (or alternatively screening for) social liberal values in newcomers and ensuring that these are solidified into the general population, there should be no major long term problems. Authors like this one are generalizing on the few bad examples they can find and using that to justify prophecies of future social apocalypse as well as excuses to stop immigration & respect for diversity in Canada. They are quite transparently pushing for their version of an homogenous ethno state. I see this article has now rightly been pulled out, but it never should have appeared in the first place. Not the first time that the Sun has had writers push for xenophobic narratives and it's shameful that they're really called out for it.
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Imagine living in a world where all the rules were decided by reddit.
It would be an authoritarian nightmare
Because I'd just blow my brains out
It is absolutely correct that mass immigration causes distrust
Controlled immigration however does not, it can in fact strengthen trust if done right.
My experiences with immigrant kids were very mixed. There were a few who were damn awesome, one who I absolutely despised, and the rest I hardly noticed that they were from an immigrant family.
My experiences with non-immigrant kids were overall very much the same. Some cool kids, one or two assholes, the rest whatever.
There's a reason for this: they were being integrated properly, and we were being taught to treat them just like everyone else.
One of the boys in my class got bullied for being odd. Over time we accepted him and became good friends and I would absolutely say this strengthened the bond of our whole class.
I was beaten when I was very young by a trio of brothers who's family happened to be here illegally
their citizenship was only discovered after my parents could finally get the police to intervene
In a couple of weeks, that professor will likely lose his credentials for speaking an obvious truth every conflict theorist is aware of, but decidedly buries it.
And likewise, @ETBrooD. My worst experiences were with the blacks, however, and they're the majority in the inner-city public schools, at least in the South. We didn't have any issues with immigrants, though, but that's due to their remaining a minority, so their social influence wasn't enough that it'd conflict with the majority group or others. As you know, the mainstream social norms and values that're reinforced among what's normalized as "black culture," in America, are rather insidious and counter to economic and social wellbeing.
I got abused by non-immigrant kids more than immigrant kids, probably because we have way more non-immigrants overall, so it's roughly proportional.
Some of my best friends are from immigrant families. I have absolutely nothing against immigrants, that's not the issue.
It's harder to understand that when a few kids from a minority group beat you up that this is not neccessarily a trend within the whole group. Because you don't get to meet so many people of those groups.
You learn to see nuance by meeting good and bad people within a group to realize that it's not the group that causes it. But for that you need to actually get that chance.
The native population is far larger, so you will inevitably see good and bad people in there. Your perception will be corrected.
oh I assumed nothing, as far as I was concerned they were just cunts, I didn't really comprehend race at that age
I did, it was very visible
Race was such an obvious factor to me that I thought it had to have something to do with it
just didn't ocurr to me whatsoever
until out of frustration and lack of anything else to say, I used it .
as an ad hom agains
fucks sake cat
I got bullied and beat up by the one particular group more than any other
This is not a coincidence, we had a huge problem with Turkish kids in Vienna, especially in the parks
They just hung around and caused trouble being unattended
as I was saying, I didn't really understand race until, for lack of any significant ad homs to fling at a particularly cunty brat schoolmate, I simply mentioned their skin color in a derogatory fashion
As you should, if your brain doesn't pick up on racial differences then you're less safe
It would be a weakness on your part
People who say they don't see race are either lying or weak
I'm not an ethnofag you idiot
Did you already forget what I wrote earlier?
literally ethnocentric rhetoric outta your ass
Re-read what I wrote realier
I'm reading what you're writing now
You're selectively picking my most recent statements and ignoring the context of everything I say
That's what the typical leftist does
Are you a leftard?
Are you a useful progressivist idiot?
bull shit, kiddo. I gave an anecdote of where race simply didn't ocurr to me when dealing with a cunty child, and you're saying it should have
Yeah, it should, because if you don't profile racially instinctively, then your defense mechanism doesn't properly work
It is perfectly normal to pick up on these differences
This is instinct
It is evolutionary
"seeing differences is racism"