Message from @Jokerfaic

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2019-09-09 02:11:10 UTC  

All societies have taboos because you cannot reasonably expect public ideology to have all the answers all of the time

2019-09-09 02:11:20 UTC  

But some taboos are worse then others

2019-09-09 02:11:37 UTC  

If your taboo is so blatantly toxic like this one

2019-09-09 02:11:52 UTC  

Your public ideology might need changing, is all I'm saying

2019-09-09 02:13:04 UTC  

Let me get this straight, the idea of a "good" immigrant according to Hecht is one who is completely whitewashed into Canadian society? Leave behind your past, your cultural identity, everything that was who you were before moving to Canada?

And what is Canadian anyway? British? French? Christian? Catholic? Loggers? Oil diggers? Someone please tell me what is expected of an immigrant in Canada.

Let me share my story. I am an Asian man, born and raised in Canada. I barely speak Chinese, and I can't read or write it. I've never even been to China or anywhere in Asia before. My parents immigrated here in the 60's and due to personal private reasons, my mom was never able to learn English, but my dad did. He integrated into society like a good citizen.

Here I am, more Canadian than Asian. I can barely converse with my own mother. Never been to Asia. But because of my Asian appearance, I STILL fucking experience racism. Granted not as much as a new immigrant, but still.

I am Canadian. I live and breathe and bleed Canada. I am living proof that immigration works according to Hecht's lofty standards, but I will never be accepted. The fact that he wrote this opinion letter is proof that he has discounted me and others like me in Canada.

Just to note though, I have lived up to it, but I don't agree with his immigration ideals. I think diversity is good, and Canada has a responsibility to adopt to immigrant cultures as much as immigrants should adopt to Canada. It's symbiosis, not assimilation.
- Reddit User

2019-09-09 02:18:50 UTC  

How did that racist garbage article get published? Ethnic diversity is like eye colour diversity, something that has no effect on societal cohesion and everyone that's not racist should know that. As far as immigration goes, every study I've seen indicates that the intake levels are manageable at 1% from our population, and we are currently doing that. Integration is successful for the most part ; as long as we insist on instilling (or alternatively screening for) social liberal values in newcomers and ensuring that these are solidified into the general population, there should be no major long term problems. Authors like this one are generalizing on the few bad examples they can find and using that to justify prophecies of future social apocalypse as well as excuses to stop immigration & respect for diversity in Canada. They are quite transparently pushing for their version of an homogenous ethno state. I see this article has now rightly been pulled out, but it never should have appeared in the first place. Not the first time that the Sun has had writers push for xenophobic narratives and it's shameful that they're really called out for it.

2019-09-09 02:18:59 UTC  

- Reddit User

2019-09-09 02:48:41 UTC  

@Jack of Trades Reddit responses to this

2019-09-09 03:12:08 UTC  

Imagine living in a world where all the rules were decided by reddit.

2019-09-09 03:12:15 UTC  

It would be an authoritarian nightmare

2019-09-09 03:55:04 UTC  

@HurtChain I can't imagine it

2019-09-09 03:55:15 UTC  

Because I'd just blow my brains out

2019-09-09 06:30:11 UTC  

It is absolutely correct that mass immigration causes distrust

2019-09-09 06:30:32 UTC  

Controlled immigration however does not, it can in fact strengthen trust if done right.

2019-09-09 06:30:51 UTC  

^

2019-09-09 06:33:51 UTC  

My experiences with immigrant kids were very mixed. There were a few who were damn awesome, one who I absolutely despised, and the rest I hardly noticed that they were from an immigrant family.
My experiences with non-immigrant kids were overall very much the same. Some cool kids, one or two assholes, the rest whatever.

2019-09-09 06:34:33 UTC  

There's a reason for this: they were being integrated properly, and we were being taught to treat them just like everyone else.

2019-09-09 06:35:19 UTC  

One of the boys in my class got bullied for being odd. Over time we accepted him and became good friends and I would absolutely say this strengthened the bond of our whole class.

2019-09-09 06:35:31 UTC  

I was beaten when I was very young by a trio of brothers who's family happened to be here illegally

2019-09-09 06:36:10 UTC  

their citizenship was only discovered after my parents could finally get the police to intervene

2019-09-09 06:36:53 UTC  

In a couple of weeks, that professor will likely lose his credentials for speaking an obvious truth every conflict theorist is aware of, but decidedly buries it.
And likewise, @ETBrooD. My worst experiences were with the blacks, however, and they're the majority in the inner-city public schools, at least in the South. We didn't have any issues with immigrants, though, but that's due to their remaining a minority, so their social influence wasn't enough that it'd conflict with the majority group or others. As you know, the mainstream social norms and values that're reinforced among what's normalized as "black culture," in America, are rather insidious and counter to economic and social wellbeing.

2019-09-09 06:37:38 UTC  

I got abused by non-immigrant kids more than immigrant kids, probably because we have way more non-immigrants overall, so it's roughly proportional.
Some of my best friends are from immigrant families. I have absolutely nothing against immigrants, that's not the issue.

2019-09-09 06:38:50 UTC  

It's harder to understand that when a few kids from a minority group beat you up that this is not neccessarily a trend within the whole group. Because you don't get to meet so many people of those groups.

2019-09-09 06:39:20 UTC  

You learn to see nuance by meeting good and bad people within a group to realize that it's not the group that causes it. But for that you need to actually get that chance.

2019-09-09 06:39:47 UTC  

The native population is far larger, so you will inevitably see good and bad people in there. Your perception will be corrected.

2019-09-09 06:40:05 UTC  

oh I assumed nothing, as far as I was concerned they were just cunts, I didn't really comprehend race at that age

2019-09-09 06:40:42 UTC  

I did, it was very visible

2019-09-09 06:41:03 UTC  

Race was such an obvious factor to me that I thought it had to have something to do with it

2019-09-09 06:41:25 UTC  

just didn't ocurr to me whatsoever

2019-09-09 06:41:43 UTC  

Mhmm.

2019-09-09 06:41:44 UTC  

until out of frustration and lack of anything else to say, I used it .

2019-09-09 06:41:48 UTC  

as an ad hom agains

2019-09-09 06:41:50 UTC  

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2019-09-09 06:41:51 UTC  

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2019-09-09 06:41:55 UTC  

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2019-09-09 06:41:58 UTC  

fucks sake cat

2019-09-09 06:42:00 UTC  

pardon me

2019-09-09 06:42:02 UTC  

ahem

2019-09-09 06:42:02 UTC  

I got bullied and beat up by the one particular group more than any other