Message from @Tonight at 11 - DOOM
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the fundamental thing of civil rights is that people are created equal
In a day and age with slavery
Rights not privileges
slaves didnt have rights taken away
they gained them
thats different
Equal?
Was every person a slave?
How can you gain rights?
If you cannot lose them?
its a good question
i dont have the words to exactly answer that
i still think it is different, maybe to do with natural right vs law given rights
but i cant at the moment formulate the right words so you got me there
Slaves weren't considered people, thus didn't have a person's rights.
But they became people
Did they not?
depends if you still vote for the Dems in 2020
KEK
sorry, derailing
I really don;t see how a right to life could ever be conceived of as inherent. Life is not something you just get by default. You are an organism with very specific requirements... It's just not *accurate* to say you just *have* that right.
Then there are no rights
At all
cool
so we got over that hurdle
^^
think defining what a Right is would be good here
This is Thomas Paine type shit.
I think all animals possess the instinct and right to seek their own self preservation. Which is to say you would not fault a goat for fleeing a wolf; Nor a ram for fighting one.
On the other hand, i might actually be inclined to agree that no one has a right to life, in so far as their existence needs must rely on the alienation of the labor of others.
Just because you wish to live does not make theft legal, in simple terms.
my biggest gripe is with freedom specifically
it;s a massive undertaking to make yourself *vaguely* free in any meaningful sense
but stealing is depriving others of their rights to their own labour/ their possessions they bought with that labour
saying you are inherently free is nonsensical to the extreme
meanwhile, alternatives are available
You cannot argue for the existence of a right to existence while trying to make claims to the efforts of others without a mutual exchange of goods or labor, or the currency which represents it.
a baby is not free
it;s not even able to get to the concept of freedom on its own
i think that with the fact people dont starve and dehydrate if they arent trying to do those things
is enough of a supplies Right to life
anything more than that would be depriving others of rights
when it comes to medicine, you just go in debt for it, which doesnt necessarily conflict with a right to life
but because self sustaining needs are supplied for to maintain Life, you now have to deal with Liberty