And to remind people what we're actually dealing with with black Africans

But you are right that godliness is absolutely paramount and at the end of the day it's one's relationship with Christ that matters

Isn't it unproductive generalizing about IQ when talking about ethnic groups in the context of political discussions? What's the end game here? I suppose some could interpret you proposing that European's are smarter and therefore should be in government. How's that suppose to help us in this situation?

Well I think the differences are real and it affects things like affirmative action policies

I think in the SA context the point is that it's the whites' country

Ernst Roets seems to want to avoid IQ in political discussions. See his interview with Willem. @Willem Petzer I am trying to understand your reasoning behind your use of IQ.

Ernst is right to do that. Too much of a hot potato. Would just be a distraction from what he's trying to do

How is what he is trying to do different to what Willem is?

Ernst has a more narrowly focused agenda: to first and foremost raise awareness of the persecution of the whites and then how the whites might move forward. I think.
Willem is interested in lots of different things ranging from the same stuff as Ernst to promoting Afrikaner culture generally to educating on history

I think the IQ thing may well be true, but as someone that always sat in class with the brightest at school, there were representatives of all races at the top. It's an easy trap to fall into if you are young and intelligent to think that intelligence is the only trait that counts, years of life have taught me that you can change the world without a particularly high IQ and there are many more things to consider. IQ is just useful because it is easy to test for and the tests are consistent (they basically measure performance of working memory and abstraction)

Agreed. IQ is not what defines a man's worth. It's more in terms of current politics. IQ does have an impact in running a country especially when, you know, the vast majority of those in charge are low IQ.

As far as IQ goes, i personally find it relevant in the context of our material make up, which would be profession. I reckon we ought to make IQ tests mandatory in key positions like management for example, positions with high responsibility and accountability are required, and also vital positions that cannot afford incompetence.

Outside of above mentioned context, it is mostly irrelevant.

That said though, it's in everyone's best interest to take IQ seriously with efforts to improve the environments that cultivate and develop those who are negatively impacted. We know there are lifestyle factors such as diet and malnutrition that impact IQ, and can only take necessary actions to address these things if it can be acknowledged openly and honestly.

I don't think it is the topic that is the problem, but the approach. It is rather used a degrading argument, as opposed to a concern. We need to approach it correctly.

President Trump is on the right side

https://www.worldslastchance.com/biblical-christian-beliefs/plat-aarde-bybelse-waarheid-in-onstandvastige-wreld.html

Even the Bible says the left are fools 😂

Ecclesiastes 10:2

😂

' "The left vs. right paradigm is one of the most destructive forces I have witnessed in my lifetime. It is a nearly fail-proof impediment to either side ever progressing in their understanding of right vs wrong, because all they can ever see/hear is “your guy did it too” or “the other side is hypocritical/ has a re-election agenda”, etc. Any appeal to reason, morality, or principles derived from natural law is met with the retort of “that’s just what the left/right wants you to think”.

Refusing to look through the distorting prism of either left or right can free you from debates/concerns which are not germane to your calling and can provide 100x more mental/spiritual clarity for those issues which are.

I am convinced that one of the most effective self-improvement steps that an individual can make is to free themselves from this political paradigm. Remove yourself from the toxic echo chambers of media that exploit this left vs right dynamic. Only then can you begin to seek out or develop a moral philosophy and evaluate various issues in its light."
Mason Drake

I think George Washington was on to something when he warned of the dangers of political parties. '

https://www.facebook.com/kyle.labosky/posts/1376665832478181

@Daniel van Straaten I actually agree with that statement. The left vs right paradigm is a classic divide and conquer tactic employed by the ruling elites to keep us distracted from what's really going on behind governments. I was just having a little fun with that Bible verse 😃

@TruthCanary @Daniel van Straaten That's why things like the alternative media and IDW are such a threat to the msm. Alternative media is trying to break through this old left right model.

Yes that is true, but there are also those "alternative" media that actually push the left vs right paradigm, such as Alex Jones

Yeah he does

Ditsem! @Malcolm the Seceder, you just advanced to level 12!

@TruthCanary i actually received that on WhatsApp as well earlier the week. Also pretty much made the same point Daniel did. But this is a good example of how the literature now is abused to justify prejudices... I can relate to the left and right political struggle, so i can see the humor in it, and a part of me giggles about it, but i think it's really important to highlight the problematic nature of it as Daniel did.

Totally agree

As do I🤔

Left right can be helpful in broad terms but the problem is the rigidity and the fake "debates" on msm where it's just talking heads shouting at each. Usually with way too much make up on

I find it more along the context really... There is right and wrong, and there's right and left. Problem with politics is that both left and right have right and wrong, but it complicates it, politics in general is very complicated, hence politically i find myself more centre, but then the political enablers call you a fence sitter. I'm not really politically motivated myself, but i do believe so right and wrong, and also believe the road to hell is paved with good intentions... Politics seem to hinge on good intentions, whether you are right or left.

But then there are good intentions and good intentions

Well the way you tell them apart is easy.. There are those who DO good, and those who INTEND to do good. Let me provide an example; Willem does what is good, and then Renaldo, he obviously means well. 😉

@Sheamus 😝

https://truthxchange.com/2018/02/peterson-jung-hope/

So I have been toying with some Biblical concepts in my head....The Mark of the Beast, what is it? In the end, it was so simple. It is right there in the name. Firstly, let us define "The Beast". A beast is an animal right? So in my view, the usage of the word refers to all earthly animals - all the beasts of the earth. So now let us get to the mark itself. What is it exactly that makes a beast a beast? What "mark" does it have that makes it different from a human being? What separates humans from beasts? We are all made of flesh and blood, we all are born, we live and we die. But the one thing that us humans have that beasts do not, is a mind that is capable of critical thinking, reason and above all, Logic. Animals have (for the most part) a fight or flight response / mental capacity. Of course, some are a little more capable that others. In conclusion, a human being that has been "marked" does not have the ability to comprehend logic - which puts them on the same level as a beast. Flat Earth anyone? ~Namaste. 🙏

Jordan Peterson https://creation.com/peterson-bible-stories

https://creation.com/biblical-roots-of-modern-science

@Deejay from Earth What separates humans from animals is that humans have souls and animals do not.

True that, no reason, no humanity, no soul... Just biological chemicals dictating behaviour and impulses to sin. That's how i see it.

As of late I'm not sure what a "soul" is I have to say. I'm not so sure any more - could we be mistaking our personality or Ego for our soul?

Well, sounds like a controversial opportunity to explore the definition, see what we all understand and maybe can agree on?

Soul is always linked to the afterlife from what I can tell.

But what is it within you, right now in this life?

The soul is the part of the person made in the image of God. The rational, moral, thinking part of the person. It is the immortal part that will live forever. It is given to the human being upon conception.

I think it is what we would say gives a human being his personhood.

My thoughts too, but where i am a little lost still is it individual to the person like we have individual souls, or us it individual as in we are receivers that tune into it, like radio tunes into a frequency... Im still trying to figure that one out, both have compelling arguments for and against. What's your take on it @Malcolm the Seceder

Each person has his own individual soul. So Westminster Confession of Faith Chapter 32.1: "The bodies of men after death return to dust, and see corruption(a); but their souls, (which neither die nor sleep,) having an immortal subsistence, immediately return to God who gave them(b)." The souls of the regenerate go to Heaven and the souls of the unregenerate go straight to Hell. On the last day the bodies of all persons will be raised and reunited with their souls and will either then spend eternity in Heaven or Hell.

(a) Genesis 3:19

(b) Luke 23:43

I follow you there, and here is another perspective of why i might be confused about it.

Genesis 2:7 - And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Deuteronomy 6:5 - And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

The soul is breathed into man, each soul a breath, a fragment perhaps? One God, one Truth, one Reason, which is all the same. So perhaps a hybrid of the two. I'm still working my way through understanding it all, but i do enjoy others perspectives and their convictions. Thanks for your input @Malcolm the Seceder

And maybe also to clarify, by individual, it was meant as seperate from the creator. Uniquely seperate. There is the father and then there is the soul, uniquely seperate. Something other than.

@Sheamus When we are told that God breathed into the nostrils of Adam and he became a living soul we're not meant to take that as God imparting a part of a whole to Adam. It's a symbolic statement. Each soul, as you say later, is a unique, separate entity.

Thank you bud, appreciate your input and trust your words, it's always my intention to understand it for myself whole heartedly without any doubt.

@Malcolm the Seceder I thank you for your input too. That's what I think separates us from religions like Hinduism and Buddhism, where they believe in Atman. Some sort of all encompassing soul that inhabits our bodies but is not individual.

@buzzlightyear Those "religions" are just darkness. There is power behind them to be sure, but it is a dark power. We gotta stay away from it. Have nothing to do with those things, right down to stuff like yoga: it's all poison.

So guys, another topicn I have been pondering lately: With all your knowledge and experiences, what do you think is the Bible's take on the subject of race and organisation of society (not salvation)?

@Malcolm the Seceder Yeah, I can sense the void that ultimately inhabits them.

Genesis 9:25-27?

That's the old view anyway👌🏻

Oh I heard of assigning the races to these biblical expressions. Which race is which again?

As for race, I graduated in Chemistry and the more I learned, the more I came to regard it as scientific fact, albeit controversial. It used to be regarded as such until it was discardes by the end of WW2 with no scientific explanations given.

Lol race is a topic divided among the materialists and the spiritualists lol

@Sheamus that might be true. Personally, I perceive quantum mechanics as something that unifies these two.
As the experiments are of material nature but their behavior depends very much on an observer which can not be rationally explained. It is just assumed as something that is

@buzzlightyear Shem would be the Jews, Japheth would be the Gentiles and Ham would be the blacks

There are some variations depending on the Christian tradition. Though Ham always remains the blacks 😂

Ok thanks.Yeah, anyway.. seeing how these "multicultural" and "multiracial" societies devolve into cesspits of degeneracy and crime, I do not think God would want us to go that way. @Malcolm the Seceder

Multiculturalism doesn't work and there's certainly no Biblical mandate that we should be mixing cultures in any significant fashion

The Gospel is universal and that is why whites took the Gospel to the benighted parts of the world. But that doesn't mean they should then come over here and live amongst us.

@Malcolm the Seceder absolutely, that's how I understood it too.

From More Than Conquerers - Hendriksen

Thanks @Daniel van Straaten this warms my heart

https://youtu.be/33_dCM1HyNg

https://youtu.be/7Vyy_bY1eUw

Great talk @TruthCanary https://vimeo.com/44083863

Thanks @Daniel van Straaten , will give it a watch 😃

Here is the outline if you don't have time. https://truthxchange.com/2012/02/2996/

@Deejay from Earth Can we keep the flat earth chat to the info-wars channel please? [Apologies I edited this post to something different when I meant to post a new post so I have put it back to what it was.]

1 Chronicles 16:30 ►
Tremble before him, all the earth! The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved.

Flat Earth IS a Theological issue Sir.

I'll agree, if it pertains to the literature let it be, but the usual flat earth discussion focused on flat earth in general not referencing the literature should stay in info wars.

Did I post any flat earth proofs here?

Lol i didn't @ you, just joining in on the conversation in general, so speaking to all lol

Cool no worries.

@Sheamus I'm just trying to figure out the psychology here. I don't mind at all if people don't agree with Gods Flat Earth, or if they believe they live on a spinning ball or whatever. Really I don't. What gets me is the outright hypocrisy of calling oneself a Christian and then "believing" (as opposed to proving) they live on a spinning ball. That one I don't understand. Then let us throw "Prove all things" at them and see what comes up. In your view Sheamus, what do you think the problem could be? Flat Earth is is proven through scripture, science, reason, logic, every day experience, common sense, observation and most importantly - the evidence of our God given senses. Just wondering.. you know?

@Deejay from Earth i can't speak on behalf of others, but as far as i go personally, i cannot confirm or deny either, and as far as the literature goes, many people read the same literature and walk away with different interpretations of the same literature, so even just that alone could be chalked up to interpretation which can be altered by our own prejudices. On the matter of flat earth and globe, i am still undecided to judge outright, i have never been up high enough to verify any of this, and other people's claims are also just that, it's theirs. But to me, right now i go based on what works, if one theory allows us to predict something and it's accurate and reliable, then it's as close to the truth as possible until something more accurate and reliable comes along. Keep what works, discatd what doesn't work, and replace superior with inferior. I'm still in the progress of figuring things myself. Just don't take offence to any of it. Emotions aren't reliable to judge by, just be reasonable. I think we all try to be reasonable, and then there's also the matter that we all prioritize different matters. Not everyone's priorities are in the same place.

THIS: Not everyone's priorities are in the same place.

@Deejay from Earth Where are the edges? What happens when one gets there? Can I see some pictures?

We would need to move this to <#469490581899575297>

I'm happy just leaving it. No offence.

@Malcolm the Seceder All good. 👍

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUxTs1aDI7k&t=2601s

"Keep this in mind as you watch the news and browse your social feeds.

Also keep in mind that "the powers that be" intentionally and perpetually feed you information that will keep you angry with other Americans. #DivideAndConquer " Brandon Adams
https://ftc.co/resource-library/conversations/jonathan-leeman-on-why-everyone-is-so-angry

https://www.facebook.com/groups/csichoir/permalink/10156346443269375/

http://wrfnet.org/resources/2009/01/calvinism-and-racism-south-african-perspective

https://youtu.be/aZhYQ8V1STI

The conversion of a Roman emperor to Christianity, of Constantine in 312, might not have happened-or, if it had, it would have taken on a totally different meaning-if it had not been preceded, for two generations, by the conversion of Christianity to the culture and ideals of the Roman world.(17)

http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=110

“The heirs of Greek thought find it repugnant to accept information revealed by God; they insist on discovering truth by their own resources; and if this cannot be done in any case, they would rather go without the truth than to receive it as a gift from God.” Thales to Dewey, p. 155.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBG1HiKRLWQ

"Remember also that out of the title "God of Abraham" Jesus deduced the doctrine of the future life that the Sadducees denied. How many of us would have seen that lesson in that divine title? There must be innumerable truths in the Bible that escape our minds. Our danger is not in finding too much, but in finding too little."
(Gordon Clark Predestination, pg 14)