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rob 2018-07-16 14:43:44 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

rob 2018-07-16 14:46:27 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

aweh , so is this the nazi channel?

rob 2018-07-16 14:47:21 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

ah, my bad, it's the <#468389174894919691>

rob 2018-07-16 14:49:15 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

haha, it's ok

rob 2018-07-16 15:12:47 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

🤣

rob 2018-07-16 21:43:44 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

awe schnitzel

rob 2018-07-16 21:54:13 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

what do you guys think about this: http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/9785990-3x2-700x467.jpg seems pretty different to the mainstream media message

rob 2018-07-16 21:55:01 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

An excerpt from If Crisis or War Comes
Posted 22 May 2018, 1:02am (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-22/sweden-issues-leaflet-on-how-to-prepare-for-war/9785934)

rob 2018-07-16 22:00:26 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

I think the interesting part is basically saying watch out for disinfo, ie if we appear on TV saying we've surrendered then that is fake/synthetic.

rob 2018-07-16 22:03:45 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

the threat is internal neo marxist+jihad invasion, I think the military are getting the message out while they still have open communication with the public

rob 2018-07-17 20:33:00 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

I'm in contact with the Guys at capexit, they know the dudes from usaf and they distanced themselves from them a while ago, right now is wait and see. They put up eviction notices at parliament telling them to voetsek by friday

rob 2018-07-17 20:34:29 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

basically capexit are seeking a majority mandate, but there are other routes to succession(which is where Cornelius arrived on the scene). I hope it's legit, but we'll see. I doubt it will amount to much

rob 2018-07-17 20:39:51 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

sure, but media and perception are everything, as I said I have more faith in the capexit folks, they have actual plans for when the SANDF roll in or civil war erupts

rob 2018-07-17 20:41:12 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

you don't see 2 clear sides? people in favour of property rights vs people not in favour of property rights

rob 2018-07-17 20:41:22 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

wars have been fought over a lot less

rob 2018-07-17 20:45:23 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

@Arcade_Hustle jail would be great, I'm scared of getting rounded up and shot like cambodia

rob 2018-07-17 20:46:38 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

the numbers gangs will probably fight against the communists

rob 2018-07-17 20:51:51 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

is there a youtube stream tonight?

rob 2018-07-17 20:52:10 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

oh right

rob 2018-07-20 10:36:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

don't worry @rupdog some of us are staying to poes the communists

rob 2018-07-20 10:37:36 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

I've travelled the world @Arcade_Hustle running is lame if you don't want to leave

rob 2018-07-20 10:37:49 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

lived all over, didn't really dig it

rob 2018-07-20 10:39:17 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

well hopefully with that capital you've made some wise safety investments, it's not really about the money though we only get 80 odd years on this football and money doesn't mean shit when you're dead

rob 2018-07-20 10:39:47 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

they can't run a bath....

rob 2018-07-20 10:41:54 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

our saving grace is going to be when they print out the lists of dissidents to round up and shoot, some doos hasn't refilled the printer paper

rob 2018-07-20 10:45:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

@HoppeanSnake_ZA if we're going down that road (((they))) are fully behind EWC, it's a communist plot

rob 2018-07-20 10:48:23 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

@Arcade_Hustle I don't really subscribe to the identity politics (ethnic jews may be good or evil like every other group of people) I do think that catholic church, wahabbism, and talmudism are all crypto satanists though (removes tin-foil hat)

rob 2018-07-20 10:49:18 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

hmm let's eat flesh and drink blood on sunday goys

rob 2018-07-20 10:49:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

anyway, sorry to derail

rob 2018-07-20 10:50:27 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

and stop reading marx 😃

rob 2018-07-20 10:54:28 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

8ball help

rob 2018-07-20 10:55:55 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

8ball are we going to beat Foolias and co?

rob 2018-07-20 10:58:42 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

ja guys, let's keep the conspiracy to the corner (I know I'm one to talk)

rob 2018-07-20 10:59:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

ja, that's what I meant, I only saw it late, sorry

rob 2018-07-20 11:01:48 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

oh shit, we got flat earthers in the conspiracy corner -I'm out

rob 2018-07-20 11:11:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

@Arcade_Hustle just to point out that you promote reformist judaism and @HoppeanSnake_ZA says he has no problem with non talmudic jews. I assume that reformist judaism is like reformation christiantiy which was goin gback to the teachings and away from the captured institution of (cough) satanists

rob 2018-07-20 11:13:56 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

the specifics of the evil aren't super important to me, to me the important thing is that there is a valid religion that has been captured by evil

rob 2018-07-20 11:14:16 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

like christianity with the catholic church I think

rob 2018-07-20 11:14:33 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

where they follow a bunch of 'add on' books

rob 2018-07-20 11:15:46 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

they aren't anti white, they are anti spiritual, any group that beleives in a personal god is a target

rob 2018-07-20 11:16:02 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

ja man , I know the propaganda

rob 2018-07-20 11:16:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but if you think it is specifically against white people you are playing directly into their divide and conquer

rob 2018-07-20 11:17:06 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

yes

rob 2018-07-20 11:17:08 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

all of us

rob 2018-07-20 11:17:10 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

not white

rob 2018-07-20 11:17:13 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

or brown

rob 2018-07-20 11:17:20 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

or black

rob 2018-07-20 11:17:59 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

do you believe that there is truth in the scriptures?

rob 2018-07-20 11:20:49 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

old testament and recorded sermons and dreams (ie some gospel, from the new testament and torah )

rob 2018-07-20 11:21:22 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I think that most of it has been compromised, added to and the messages distorted (pretty well accepted that there were edits to the end of matthew)

rob 2018-07-20 11:22:00 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but a lot of it has come to us unchanged

rob 2018-07-20 11:22:39 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

@Deejay from Earth is that all talmud?

rob 2018-07-20 11:22:46 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

ja

rob 2018-07-20 11:22:50 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

talmud = satanism

rob 2018-07-20 11:23:00 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

= wahhabism

rob 2018-07-20 11:23:10 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

= catholic church

rob 2018-07-20 11:23:35 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

reformation was a rection against them

rob 2018-07-20 11:23:40 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

reaction*

rob 2018-07-20 11:24:31 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

think of it as the first version of the communists(satanists/centralised corrupt church) versus the individualists(freedom of congregation)

rob 2018-07-20 11:25:11 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I think that religion had to be captured first by evil groups

rob 2018-07-20 11:25:18 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

because it is so dangerous

rob 2018-07-20 11:26:24 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

that's why all organised centralised religions are compromised and authoritarian and they always include 'extra' texts (talmud, catholic texts and the priest laws in islam)

rob 2018-07-20 11:27:19 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but the truth couldn't be completely erased, and that's why the text still has value and is dangerous to (((them))) that's why communism was born to finally kill religion

rob 2018-07-20 11:27:58 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

ja man

rob 2018-07-20 11:28:09 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I needs some convincing on the flat earth stuff 😐

rob 2018-07-20 11:29:22 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

ah that's cool, will definitely try be there

rob 2018-07-20 11:30:02 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I arrived at religious insights after far too many 🍄

rob 2018-07-20 11:30:16 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

or blindness

rob 2018-07-20 11:31:02 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

went from agnostic to a Gnostic

rob 2018-07-20 11:31:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

fasting will definitely take you there (recommended by yeshua ben hur!)

rob 2018-07-20 11:32:00 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

ja I have a friend that spent 10 years in Peru and became a shame

rob 2018-07-20 11:32:03 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

shaman

rob 2018-07-20 11:32:07 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

shawoman*

rob 2018-07-20 11:34:12 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I matriculated from a christian school, was confirmed but not religious, always seeked to find the common ground between religions and factor out the truth. after direct spiritual experience it seems obvious to me that all of these schools are describing the same process, and equally obvious when there is a program of distraction

rob 2018-07-20 11:36:06 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

the chakra system is a direct description of the endochrine system, sexual energy is the only form of magic (black magic being the external use of sex and white magic relying on celibacy as all major religions indicate)

rob 2018-07-20 11:37:04 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

tantra is the yogic wasy of talking about that but in western civilization people also discovered it in the 19th century in the US there was a movement called male continence which is similar to tantra

rob 2018-07-20 11:39:20 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

celibacy being the retention of semen and transmuting the orgasm through the endochrine system. the energy ususally experienced in orgasm is a kind of short circuiting of the spiritual energy at the base chakra, if that energy is cultivated and conserved then it moves up through your chakras one by one, that's what you experienced

rob 2018-07-20 11:39:58 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I mean, it's right there in the bible jesus 40 days in the desert

rob 2018-07-20 11:40:49 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

celibacy in it's true sense is not no penetration (krishna had a harem) but control over orgasm

rob 2018-07-20 11:40:59 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

jesus had mary magdelene

rob 2018-07-20 11:44:57 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

Not just that, but realisation of self, ie realising you are holy my favourite song, a bit cheesy but resonates on so many levels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5WxxaqVdXM

rob 2018-07-20 11:46:17 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

"in this garden of god I see the spiritual world, but its hard to see through this illusory movie, I strive to be conscious of my own immortality, ineffable vision beyond the astral sphere, so ascend within innerspace deathless, samadhi, aware im not the body but the physical the astral the causal the spirit soul be infinity underneath the three bodies made of light drawn energy self manifested pure consciousness will laugh at death, throw off a bag of flesh"

rob 2018-07-20 11:47:15 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

that was the ship right?

rob 2018-07-20 11:48:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

😃

rob 2018-07-20 11:49:33 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

as you posted that these lyrics played on my side(I don't believe in coincidence anymore) ", the etheric core resonates universal law, from the breath of the creator made from two arms of god, all glories to Bhagavan, my pulse Paramatma, killin demonic contact, last lap around the zodiac, "

rob 2018-07-20 11:50:02 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

the matrix (first one) is amazing

rob 2018-07-20 11:52:47 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

usually show itself to me in the most stupid ways, I'm researching music gear overseas and BAM someone just listed the item in gumtree cape town

rob 2018-07-20 11:53:09 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

it's happened too many times, with too many specific things

rob 2018-07-20 11:54:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I'm listening

rob 2018-07-20 11:56:04 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

lol, chatrooms since the 90s

rob 2018-07-20 11:58:17 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

props for the flat earth yin yang video

rob 2018-07-20 11:59:15 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

first thing that makes me want to do some maths

rob 2018-07-20 12:01:07 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

watching the moon spiralling between the tropics

rob 2018-07-20 12:01:33 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

to get a period that lines up to our 13 month 365 day cycle

rob 2018-07-20 12:04:40 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I ran into something interesting a while ago, can't find the link but it was researchers talking about the field of historiography, the study of the methods of historians and comparative historiography, trying to make timelines out of various data. what they found was that there were a few periods in history where things just didn't line up. they compared astrological events noted in histories and when events were supposed to happen. One of the things they discovered was there are major discrepancies in our accepted historical timeline in the 3rd century AD and 18th century AD

rob 2018-07-20 12:05:32 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

we're putting the flat earth in the rucksack today we're chatting about other stuff, I just wanted some info

rob 2018-07-20 12:05:46 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

we're trying to keep <#468388839799390210> neater

rob 2018-07-20 12:06:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

ah

rob 2018-07-20 12:06:18 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

that just started

rob 2018-07-20 12:06:21 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

cool

rob 2018-07-20 12:08:19 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I'm still open minded on this, but I'm like a bunch of people that have flown, seen curves

rob 2018-07-20 12:08:36 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but I also know that what I saw was put into whatever framework i had

rob 2018-07-20 12:10:02 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

well I know that, but I think they were talking about more juicy conspiracy theory stuff

rob 2018-07-20 12:10:16 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I'm thinking 3rd century is the birth of the roman catholic church

rob 2018-07-20 12:10:28 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

and the 18th century is the split from the catholic church

rob 2018-07-20 12:11:29 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

basically all the euro settler stock (settler was the best word i could find to encompass USA and RSA and AUS, don't shoot me)

rob 2018-07-20 12:11:55 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

basically all of that stock is breakaway from central control

rob 2018-07-20 12:13:55 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

Here's my thought for the day, I put it in general but this is a better spot. The catholic Eucharist is a satanic ritual put right into christianity at the beginning to corrupt and control it.

rob 2018-07-20 12:14:43 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

eating flesh and drinking blood just doesn't jive with me

rob 2018-07-20 12:15:44 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

when you say our blood what do you mean (asking, not EFF)

rob 2018-07-20 12:16:01 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

caucasians?

rob 2018-07-20 12:16:08 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

Ek's 'n bruin ou

rob 2018-07-20 12:16:10 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

😉

rob 2018-07-20 12:16:54 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

agreed

rob 2018-07-20 12:17:06 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

my history is a mystery anyway

rob 2018-07-20 12:20:21 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

My surname comes from an island in denmark, via some french village where the spelling changed

rob 2018-07-20 12:21:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but I'm pretty sure most of my history is in the cape

rob 2018-07-20 12:28:06 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

haha

rob 2018-07-20 12:28:34 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I'll start, bhagavad gita says that life is a series of moments between a subject and and object

rob 2018-07-20 12:29:13 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

think of it like a film strip and each frame has a subject and an object

rob 2018-07-20 12:30:16 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

when we started the scientific method we started measuring the object, and various people recorded their interations with objects, the common factors were noted and we had the scientific method of identifying objective reality

rob 2018-07-20 12:30:38 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

the scientists continued drilling down to find the ultimate objects that made up the world

rob 2018-07-20 12:30:58 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

all my take on what I understand from the various sources I mention

rob 2018-07-20 12:32:13 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

in the early 20th century quantum physicists realised that they can't measure an object without affecting it by virtue of the measurement

rob 2018-07-20 12:32:39 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

coming back to the point that life is not objects but a series of subject object connections

rob 2018-07-20 12:32:52 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

and science is the study of the object

rob 2018-07-20 12:33:15 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

spirituality/religion is the study of the subject

rob 2018-07-20 12:34:47 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

anyway, just wanted to flesh out what I think the subject/self/soul is in relation to science and religion

rob 2018-07-20 12:35:58 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I like the golden rule, I find it easier to explain by describing its opposite

rob 2018-07-20 12:37:03 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

humans have the capacity for evil because they know what would feel terrible for themselves to experience and they can therefore do that to others. the golden rule is the opposite of torture/pure evil

rob 2018-07-20 12:39:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

quantum experiments have also confirmed that there is a group non material reality(holy spirit if you like) that generates our material reality in the same way that our immatterial thoughts generate our material electrical impulses in our brain https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/coming-to-grips-with-the-implications-of-quantum-mechanics/

rob 2018-07-20 12:39:50 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

thanks guys 😃 I enjoy chatting about this stuff

rob 2018-07-20 12:42:18 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

ja I think smaller groups are important, it's eternal september out there

rob 2018-07-20 12:42:38 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

good question, what is materialism?

rob 2018-07-20 12:44:21 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I don't understand it, I always think that after I die I'll get to go through a library of life videos and watch my life and I always think, that's why it's not supposed to be easy, and why it would be horrible to be a prince for example(you'd have to do so much more to have a video worth watching)

rob 2018-07-20 12:44:42 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

you want a story with challenge overcome

rob 2018-07-20 12:45:35 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

although, now writing that I'm thinking what if it's a library of video games, and what if we're already there playing one now 💥

rob 2018-07-20 12:46:38 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

so does that mean that other entities are all NPCs?

rob 2018-07-20 12:47:17 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

or does the materialist believe themselves to be some sort of determanistic machine

rob 2018-07-20 12:47:27 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

or am I just confused

rob 2018-07-20 12:49:05 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

so the materialist believes that only they and a few others potentially are conscious

rob 2018-07-20 12:49:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I've wondered that once or twice.....

rob 2018-07-20 12:49:53 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

it's crazy

rob 2018-07-20 12:50:11 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

friends that I know are intelligent are brainwashed

rob 2018-07-20 12:50:53 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

they are often materialistic in their spirituality, it is something outside to display for status(much like our SJWs)

rob 2018-07-20 12:52:12 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I suppose that's why jesus was all about praying in secret

rob 2018-07-20 12:52:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I sound like such a bible basher 😆

rob 2018-07-20 12:54:24 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I think the vedic view is that there isn't a separation between sprit and thing, the spirit generates the thing from what I understand. but scientists have tried to pinpoint the thing, only to find smaller things ad infintum (eventually they will realise that they are willing smaller and smaller particles into existence)

rob 2018-07-20 12:56:09 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

there is no thing until a consciousness gives it its thingness - a rock is not a rock until a conscience separates it from being 'ground' or 'mountain' or 'planet earth' or the entirety of reality

rob 2018-07-20 12:57:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

lol

rob 2018-07-20 12:57:31 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

nice

rob 2018-07-20 12:58:35 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

@Sheamus I think the golden rule is true if you think about it for any amount of time, but what if there are other people with a different spiritual makeup that appear human ?

rob 2018-07-20 12:59:13 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I've started doing audiobooks, highly recommended, less effort than reading and you can speed up speech to around the same speed as reading

rob 2018-07-20 12:59:46 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

also in light of 'journalism' nowadays and the propoganda in movies, books are still good

rob 2018-07-20 13:02:32 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

my friends annoy me the most, with their reasoning "but rob, you _can't_ say _that_"

rob 2018-07-20 13:03:37 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

giving the other debater benefit of the boubt in a debate instead of picking at semantics is an example of why the golden rule just makes things smoother

rob 2018-07-20 13:05:16 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

just noticing where the golden rule helps society. ebay by all acounts should have lasted a week, people pay, people run away with the money, but it didn't people trusted each other.

rob 2018-07-20 13:06:16 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

quite a few times I run into the idea that morality doesn't need a religious basis, or it does - what are your thoughts on that one?

rob 2018-07-20 13:09:27 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

where does that put us with psychopaths?

rob 2018-07-20 13:10:00 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

and bipolar women (ducks)

rob 2018-07-20 13:12:10 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

you see I think the verse here "Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire."

rob 2018-07-20 13:12:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

is so true

rob 2018-07-20 13:12:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

and the communists also believe it

rob 2018-07-20 13:12:41 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but they come from a mindset of scarcity

rob 2018-07-20 13:13:35 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

whereas i see us producing so much 'stuff'(tools) that is good enough for purpose. I think in terms of value created using tools

rob 2018-07-20 13:14:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I commented on EWC that the communists mustn't be shocked if no one stays to hear them play once they've stolen all the instruments from the orchestra

rob 2018-07-20 13:14:54 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I have tons of computers but I can't give my knowledge to my domestic worker

rob 2018-07-20 13:15:05 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

so just giving 'stuff' has limited utility

rob 2018-07-20 13:15:32 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

what I'm saying is the only value is really the creative value

rob 2018-07-20 13:17:29 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

we have what we need(tool wise), the only things of value are not available on the market. Going back to the afterlife video library, you can't buy a video of Mozart without putting in the effort.

rob 2018-07-20 13:18:20 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

hmm, serving an idea is a really interesting point

rob 2018-07-20 13:18:35 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

have you guys read Crichton's critique on environmentalism?

rob 2018-07-20 13:23:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I agree with you @Deejay from Earth but I also like the idea I read in The Eternities - Vedanta Treatise (A.Parthasarathy) - basically that there is a certain hygeine required for science, so we see scientists in clean laboratories practicing science, similarly sages need to undergo a cleaning process, but regular people can use the lessons learned by scientists in labs that they never see - in fact it is natural. He says that spiritual lessons are also for the non sages to use, even though they might only be discovered by sages

rob 2018-07-20 13:24:31 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

If you're going @Sheamus I'd like to leave with one last thought/post

rob 2018-07-20 13:26:06 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

going to copy the text if you guys don't mind, could find it easily online, the Crichton critique on environment, I think that all true religion fills the space within all humans with a personal god, and I believe that all of the SJW/neomarxists/ideologists try to fill the exact same spot with ideology

rob 2018-07-20 13:28:04 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

@Deejay from Earth I think the was we are evolving, eventually we will all have the choice to seek enlightenment and plug into the spirtual internet much like we have the ability to learn science and 3d print devices/build software/CRISPr

rob 2018-07-20 13:29:29 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

coming back to the critique on environmentalism, I think that the Neomarxists are trying to block our connection to the kingdom within, by putting an ideology in its place

rob 2018-07-20 13:32:24 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

communism is a highly sophisticated spiritual warfare weapon

rob 2018-07-20 13:33:34 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

what is kinism?

rob 2018-07-20 13:35:08 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I think we need to reach people on the spiritual level

rob 2018-07-20 13:35:26 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I've seen intelligent friends brainwashed, it's sad

rob 2018-07-20 13:35:58 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but the spiritual needs to be shown to people in ways that they can understand

rob 2018-07-20 13:36:38 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

in vedantas book they say the different yogas were ways for different natured people to acheive enlightenment

rob 2018-07-20 13:37:02 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

so intellectuals need to be shown it intellectually

rob 2018-07-20 13:37:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

and emotional people need to be shown truth emotionally

rob 2018-07-20 13:37:51 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

in my mind science has explained religion and they align perfectly, the people that disagree are humanities students

rob 2018-07-20 13:38:31 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

spiritual people need to know god directly like you are advocating @Deejay from Earth

rob 2018-07-20 13:39:13 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but some people in our societies are shamans and some are musicians and some are inventors and they all express god through their attention

rob 2018-07-20 13:40:08 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I think that the mass of communists in south africa still have gogos that pay funeral cover for a big funeral because they believe in god

rob 2018-07-20 13:40:20 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

and I think that's the angle that needs to be worked in south africa

rob 2018-07-20 13:41:10 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.

rob 2018-07-20 13:41:22 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

it is critical that we evolve spiritually

rob 2018-07-20 13:42:50 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

different types of people exist, some are messy, some are organised, some talk to god at night, some don't but we all have the potential to speak to god. Our purpose though is to live the life god intended, not to escape it.

rob 2018-07-20 13:45:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

The bhagavad gita starts with Arjuna(a great warrior) facing an army of his cousins and starting to wonder whether all the bloodshed is worth it... Krishna (his friend) arrives, reveals his true identity as Krishna and explains that Arjuna is a great warrior and that he _must_ fight and then proceeds to explain the nature of reality to Arjuna

rob 2018-07-20 13:46:08 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

you guys up for a debate on this?

rob 2018-07-20 13:46:35 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

thanks for the elaboration @Malcolm the Seceder

rob 2018-07-20 13:48:10 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

fair stance

rob 2018-07-20 13:49:06 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

I think group is more cultural than racial, and those thoughts are pretty default

rob 2018-07-20 13:51:12 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

@Deejay from Earth interesting, I like the idea of the Renaissance man being able to do a bit of everything, and certainly today you can be quite a prolific tinkerer in the material realm in mainstream society

rob 2018-07-20 13:51:51 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I think we're tripping over words here

rob 2018-07-20 13:52:35 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I think ideas and ideology are different

rob 2018-07-20 13:52:47 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I think ideology is the worship of ideas

rob 2018-07-20 13:53:06 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

so you have an ideology

rob 2018-07-20 13:53:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

that is the idea that you worship

rob 2018-07-20 13:53:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

like capitalism, etc

rob 2018-07-20 13:53:38 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

so in the outside world it is fine

rob 2018-07-20 13:53:49 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

there are loads of ideologies

rob 2018-07-20 13:54:26 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but in the spiritual world it isn't fine to subscribe to any ideology that doesn't put a personal connection between you and god

rob 2018-07-20 13:57:20 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

so if you 'believe' in social justice you put the cause of social justice in your heart, if you 'believe' in capitalism you put money in your heart

rob 2018-07-20 13:57:32 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

and you always try to accumulate more of that

rob 2018-07-20 13:58:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but the point of the major religions was working out that actually you have this port in your heart to the source of all creation and that is the only thing worth going there

rob 2018-07-20 13:59:42 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

read the Crichton PDF "Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is
environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for
urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs.
If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect
21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.
There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature,
there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating
from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a
judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die,
unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability
is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its
communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right
beliefs, imbibe." consider how these hardwired biological slots get filled by ideology

rob 2018-07-20 14:02:49 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

My basis is the physiological reality, as I said the chakra system maps to the glands in the endochrine system, your body produces extremely powerful tryptamines and an orgasm in your pineal gland could definitely trigger a spiritual experience, all of the religions seem to be started by someone who unlocks the secret and chooses to help humanity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva)

rob 2018-07-20 14:03:44 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

also each religion gets centralised and corrupted, like clockwork

rob 2018-07-20 14:04:18 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

we are in cospiracy corner though, have you read the law of one, ra material?

rob 2018-07-20 14:04:55 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

channeled work allegedly from Ra

rob 2018-07-20 14:06:01 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

absolutely

rob 2018-07-20 14:06:08 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

so much disinfo

rob 2018-07-20 14:06:21 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

and distraction

rob 2018-07-20 14:06:34 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

that's why seeking within is important

rob 2018-07-20 14:09:21 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

if you are truly ready for the truth you then 10+day fast or you eat 10+g of 🍄 and it's always been there

rob 2018-07-20 14:10:28 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but I wouldn't recommend hanging around, I think that the spirit world has good and evil, just like the material world, I think exploring extremely deeply is a calling

rob 2018-07-20 14:11:08 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

free will is the whole point of this reality

rob 2018-07-20 14:12:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

fasting is the ultimate non external way

rob 2018-07-20 14:12:36 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

available to everyone at all times

rob 2018-07-20 14:13:53 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I came to this whole thing in a very roundabout manner, so I have no problems with cubensis I think it might have played a crucial role in our development as a species, but you definitely don't need it

rob 2018-07-20 14:15:15 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but the mushroom is another conscious entity that you interact with that helps you. I suppose it wouldn't be as direct. similarly the jungle plants seem to be different entities.

rob 2018-07-20 14:17:07 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

as I was saying earlier I think that sages and scientists are similar, in that the environments that they need to go to to find truth are potentially remote and hazardous, and the lessons learned are more important than the laboratories.. if you get the message hang up the phone

rob 2018-07-20 14:17:27 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

5 is the usual heroic dose level

rob 2018-07-20 14:18:43 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

more is better because you don't really have any options and your entire ego is obliterated immediately, you don't have enough consciousness to notice entities or spirits on the way, just exposure to the torrential river of all creation

rob 2018-07-20 14:18:57 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

obviously don't do that on a nite out in long st

rob 2018-07-20 14:19:44 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

lol

rob 2018-07-20 14:19:45 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

shame

rob 2018-07-20 14:19:52 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I love regular mushrooms

rob 2018-07-20 14:20:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

but there is a mental association that makes shrooms taste worse over time, or at least they did for me for ages

rob 2018-07-20 14:20:59 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

I used to use rooibos tea sometimes and then I couldn't even drink normal rooibos for a while

rob 2018-07-20 14:24:50 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

as I said, it seems like a fair default position. but I always think that the reactionary racial thing is _also_ driven by neomarxists hell bent on dividing the enemy(christians).

rob 2018-07-20 14:25:33 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

ie let's break off some of the opposition into nazism (racial socialism)

rob 2018-07-20 14:26:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

water fast?

rob 2018-07-20 14:27:19 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

you only do water fast or not fasting, no intermittent fasting?

rob 2018-07-20 14:29:57 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

well, you would if the person was charming and intelligent and hard working and rich and courting your daughter, surely (and a Christian)

rob 2018-07-20 14:30:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

and legit (ie has family and they are normal)

rob 2018-07-20 14:30:35 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

not a con man

rob 2018-07-20 14:31:40 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

I think in general encouraging anything for or against in the field of marriage for people unrelated to us is impinging on free will

rob 2018-07-20 14:34:04 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

don't stop until you can levitate

rob 2018-07-20 14:35:24 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]

Michael Jackson had the right idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwq6NrXRtns

rob 2018-07-20 14:36:03 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

don't?

rob 2018-07-20 14:43:38 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #theology]

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

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