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rob 2018-07-16 14:43:44 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

rob 2018-07-16 14:46:27 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

aweh , so is this the nazi channel?

rob 2018-07-16 14:47:21 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

ah, my bad, it's the <#468389174894919691>

rob 2018-07-16 14:49:15 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

haha, it's ok

rob 2018-07-16 15:12:47 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

🤣

rob 2018-07-16 21:43:44 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

awe schnitzel

rob 2018-07-16 21:54:13 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

what do you guys think about this: http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/9785990-3x2-700x467.jpg seems pretty different to the mainstream media message

rob 2018-07-16 21:55:01 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

An excerpt from If Crisis or War Comes
Posted 22 May 2018, 1:02am (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-22/sweden-issues-leaflet-on-how-to-prepare-for-war/9785934)

rob 2018-07-16 22:00:26 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

I think the interesting part is basically saying watch out for disinfo, ie if we appear on TV saying we've surrendered then that is fake/synthetic.

rob 2018-07-16 22:03:45 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

the threat is internal neo marxist+jihad invasion, I think the military are getting the message out while they still have open communication with the public

rob 2018-07-17 20:33:00 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

I'm in contact with the Guys at capexit, they know the dudes from usaf and they distanced themselves from them a while ago, right now is wait and see. They put up eviction notices at parliament telling them to voetsek by friday

rob 2018-07-17 20:34:29 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

basically capexit are seeking a majority mandate, but there are other routes to succession(which is where Cornelius arrived on the scene). I hope it's legit, but we'll see. I doubt it will amount to much

rob 2018-07-17 20:39:51 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

sure, but media and perception are everything, as I said I have more faith in the capexit folks, they have actual plans for when the SANDF roll in or civil war erupts

rob 2018-07-17 20:41:12 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

you don't see 2 clear sides? people in favour of property rights vs people not in favour of property rights

rob 2018-07-17 20:41:22 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

wars have been fought over a lot less

rob 2018-07-17 20:45:23 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

@Arcade_Hustle jail would be great, I'm scared of getting rounded up and shot like cambodia

rob 2018-07-17 20:46:38 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

the numbers gangs will probably fight against the communists

rob 2018-07-17 20:51:51 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

is there a youtube stream tonight?

rob 2018-07-17 20:52:10 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

oh right

rob 2018-07-20 10:36:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

don't worry @rupdog some of us are staying to poes the communists

rob 2018-07-20 10:37:36 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

I've travelled the world @Arcade_Hustle running is lame if you don't want to leave

rob 2018-07-20 10:37:49 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

lived all over, didn't really dig it

rob 2018-07-20 10:39:17 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

well hopefully with that capital you've made some wise safety investments, it's not really about the money though we only get 80 odd years on this football and money doesn't mean shit when you're dead

rob 2018-07-20 10:39:47 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

they can't run a bath....

rob 2018-07-20 10:41:54 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

our saving grace is going to be when they print out the lists of dissidents to round up and shoot, some doos hasn't refilled the printer paper

rob 2018-07-20 10:45:14 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

@HoppeanSnake_ZA if we're going down that road (((they))) are fully behind EWC, it's a communist plot

rob 2018-07-20 10:48:23 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

@Arcade_Hustle I don't really subscribe to the identity politics (ethnic jews may be good or evil like every other group of people) I do think that catholic church, wahabbism, and talmudism are all crypto satanists though (removes tin-foil hat)

rob 2018-07-20 10:49:18 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

hmm let's eat flesh and drink blood on sunday goys

rob 2018-07-20 10:49:30 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

anyway, sorry to derail

rob 2018-07-20 10:50:27 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

and stop reading marx 😃

rob 2018-07-20 10:54:28 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

8ball help

rob 2018-07-20 10:55:55 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

8ball are we going to beat Foolias and co?

rob 2018-07-20 10:58:42 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

ja guys, let's keep the conspiracy to the corner (I know I'm one to talk)

rob 2018-07-20 10:59:25 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

ja, that's what I meant, I only saw it late, sorry

rob 2018-07-20 11:01:48 [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]

oh shit, we got flat earthers in the conspiracy corner -I'm out

@Arcade_Hustle just to point out that you promote reformist judaism and @HoppeanSnake_ZA says he has no problem with non talmudic jews. I assume that reformist judaism is like reformation christiantiy which was goin gback to the teachings and away from the captured institution of (cough) satanists

the specifics of the evil aren't super important to me, to me the important thing is that there is a valid religion that has been captured by evil

like christianity with the catholic church I think

where they follow a bunch of 'add on' books

they aren't anti white, they are anti spiritual, any group that beleives in a personal god is a target

ja man , I know the propaganda

but if you think it is specifically against white people you are playing directly into their divide and conquer

yes

all of us

not white

or brown

or black

do you believe that there is truth in the scriptures?

old testament and recorded sermons and dreams (ie some gospel, from the new testament and torah )

I think that most of it has been compromised, added to and the messages distorted (pretty well accepted that there were edits to the end of matthew)

but a lot of it has come to us unchanged

@Deejay from Earth is that all talmud?

ja

talmud = satanism

= wahhabism

= catholic church

reformation was a rection against them

reaction*

think of it as the first version of the communists(satanists/centralised corrupt church) versus the individualists(freedom of congregation)

I think that religion had to be captured first by evil groups

because it is so dangerous

that's why all organised centralised religions are compromised and authoritarian and they always include 'extra' texts (talmud, catholic texts and the priest laws in islam)

but the truth couldn't be completely erased, and that's why the text still has value and is dangerous to (((them))) that's why communism was born to finally kill religion

ja man

I needs some convincing on the flat earth stuff 😐

ah that's cool, will definitely try be there

I arrived at religious insights after far too many 🍄

or blindness

went from agnostic to a Gnostic

fasting will definitely take you there (recommended by yeshua ben hur!)

ja I have a friend that spent 10 years in Peru and became a shame

shaman

shawoman*

I matriculated from a christian school, was confirmed but not religious, always seeked to find the common ground between religions and factor out the truth. after direct spiritual experience it seems obvious to me that all of these schools are describing the same process, and equally obvious when there is a program of distraction

the chakra system is a direct description of the endochrine system, sexual energy is the only form of magic (black magic being the external use of sex and white magic relying on celibacy as all major religions indicate)

tantra is the yogic wasy of talking about that but in western civilization people also discovered it in the 19th century in the US there was a movement called male continence which is similar to tantra

celibacy being the retention of semen and transmuting the orgasm through the endochrine system. the energy ususally experienced in orgasm is a kind of short circuiting of the spiritual energy at the base chakra, if that energy is cultivated and conserved then it moves up through your chakras one by one, that's what you experienced

I mean, it's right there in the bible jesus 40 days in the desert

celibacy in it's true sense is not no penetration (krishna had a harem) but control over orgasm

jesus had mary magdelene

Not just that, but realisation of self, ie realising you are holy my favourite song, a bit cheesy but resonates on so many levels https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5WxxaqVdXM

"in this garden of god I see the spiritual world, but its hard to see through this illusory movie, I strive to be conscious of my own immortality, ineffable vision beyond the astral sphere, so ascend within innerspace deathless, samadhi, aware im not the body but the physical the astral the causal the spirit soul be infinity underneath the three bodies made of light drawn energy self manifested pure consciousness will laugh at death, throw off a bag of flesh"

that was the ship right?

😃

as you posted that these lyrics played on my side(I don't believe in coincidence anymore) ", the etheric core resonates universal law, from the breath of the creator made from two arms of god, all glories to Bhagavan, my pulse Paramatma, killin demonic contact, last lap around the zodiac, "

the matrix (first one) is amazing

usually show itself to me in the most stupid ways, I'm researching music gear overseas and BAM someone just listed the item in gumtree cape town

it's happened too many times, with too many specific things

I'm listening

lol, chatrooms since the 90s

props for the flat earth yin yang video

first thing that makes me want to do some maths

watching the moon spiralling between the tropics

to get a period that lines up to our 13 month 365 day cycle

I ran into something interesting a while ago, can't find the link but it was researchers talking about the field of historiography, the study of the methods of historians and comparative historiography, trying to make timelines out of various data. what they found was that there were a few periods in history where things just didn't line up. they compared astrological events noted in histories and when events were supposed to happen. One of the things they discovered was there are major discrepancies in our accepted historical timeline in the 3rd century AD and 18th century AD

we're putting the flat earth in the rucksack today we're chatting about other stuff, I just wanted some info

we're trying to keep <#468388839799390210> neater

ah

that just started

cool

I'm still open minded on this, but I'm like a bunch of people that have flown, seen curves

but I also know that what I saw was put into whatever framework i had

well I know that, but I think they were talking about more juicy conspiracy theory stuff

I'm thinking 3rd century is the birth of the roman catholic church

and the 18th century is the split from the catholic church

basically all the euro settler stock (settler was the best word i could find to encompass USA and RSA and AUS, don't shoot me)

basically all of that stock is breakaway from central control

Here's my thought for the day, I put it in general but this is a better spot. The catholic Eucharist is a satanic ritual put right into christianity at the beginning to corrupt and control it.

eating flesh and drinking blood just doesn't jive with me

when you say our blood what do you mean (asking, not EFF)

caucasians?

Ek's 'n bruin ou

😉

agreed

my history is a mystery anyway

My surname comes from an island in denmark, via some french village where the spelling changed

but I'm pretty sure most of my history is in the cape

haha

I'll start, bhagavad gita says that life is a series of moments between a subject and and object

think of it like a film strip and each frame has a subject and an object

when we started the scientific method we started measuring the object, and various people recorded their interations with objects, the common factors were noted and we had the scientific method of identifying objective reality

the scientists continued drilling down to find the ultimate objects that made up the world

all my take on what I understand from the various sources I mention

in the early 20th century quantum physicists realised that they can't measure an object without affecting it by virtue of the measurement

coming back to the point that life is not objects but a series of subject object connections

and science is the study of the object

spirituality/religion is the study of the subject

anyway, just wanted to flesh out what I think the subject/self/soul is in relation to science and religion

I like the golden rule, I find it easier to explain by describing its opposite

humans have the capacity for evil because they know what would feel terrible for themselves to experience and they can therefore do that to others. the golden rule is the opposite of torture/pure evil

quantum experiments have also confirmed that there is a group non material reality(holy spirit if you like) that generates our material reality in the same way that our immatterial thoughts generate our material electrical impulses in our brain https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/coming-to-grips-with-the-implications-of-quantum-mechanics/

thanks guys 😃 I enjoy chatting about this stuff

ja I think smaller groups are important, it's eternal september out there

good question, what is materialism?

I don't understand it, I always think that after I die I'll get to go through a library of life videos and watch my life and I always think, that's why it's not supposed to be easy, and why it would be horrible to be a prince for example(you'd have to do so much more to have a video worth watching)

you want a story with challenge overcome

although, now writing that I'm thinking what if it's a library of video games, and what if we're already there playing one now 💥

so does that mean that other entities are all NPCs?

or does the materialist believe themselves to be some sort of determanistic machine

or am I just confused

so the materialist believes that only they and a few others potentially are conscious

I've wondered that once or twice.....

it's crazy

friends that I know are intelligent are brainwashed

they are often materialistic in their spirituality, it is something outside to display for status(much like our SJWs)

I suppose that's why jesus was all about praying in secret

I sound like such a bible basher 😆

I think the vedic view is that there isn't a separation between sprit and thing, the spirit generates the thing from what I understand. but scientists have tried to pinpoint the thing, only to find smaller things ad infintum (eventually they will realise that they are willing smaller and smaller particles into existence)

there is no thing until a consciousness gives it its thingness - a rock is not a rock until a conscience separates it from being 'ground' or 'mountain' or 'planet earth' or the entirety of reality

lol

nice

@Sheamus I think the golden rule is true if you think about it for any amount of time, but what if there are other people with a different spiritual makeup that appear human ?

I've started doing audiobooks, highly recommended, less effort than reading and you can speed up speech to around the same speed as reading

also in light of 'journalism' nowadays and the propoganda in movies, books are still good

my friends annoy me the most, with their reasoning "but rob, you _can't_ say _that_"

giving the other debater benefit of the boubt in a debate instead of picking at semantics is an example of why the golden rule just makes things smoother

just noticing where the golden rule helps society. ebay by all acounts should have lasted a week, people pay, people run away with the money, but it didn't people trusted each other.

quite a few times I run into the idea that morality doesn't need a religious basis, or it does - what are your thoughts on that one?

where does that put us with psychopaths?

and bipolar women (ducks)

you see I think the verse here "Get rid of value and profit.
People will not steal
if they do not desire."

is so true

and the communists also believe it

but they come from a mindset of scarcity

whereas i see us producing so much 'stuff'(tools) that is good enough for purpose. I think in terms of value created using tools

I commented on EWC that the communists mustn't be shocked if no one stays to hear them play once they've stolen all the instruments from the orchestra

I have tons of computers but I can't give my knowledge to my domestic worker

so just giving 'stuff' has limited utility

what I'm saying is the only value is really the creative value

we have what we need(tool wise), the only things of value are not available on the market. Going back to the afterlife video library, you can't buy a video of Mozart without putting in the effort.

hmm, serving an idea is a really interesting point

have you guys read Crichton's critique on environmentalism?

I agree with you @Deejay from Earth but I also like the idea I read in The Eternities - Vedanta Treatise (A.Parthasarathy) - basically that there is a certain hygeine required for science, so we see scientists in clean laboratories practicing science, similarly sages need to undergo a cleaning process, but regular people can use the lessons learned by scientists in labs that they never see - in fact it is natural. He says that spiritual lessons are also for the non sages to use, even though they might only be discovered by sages

If you're going @Sheamus I'd like to leave with one last thought/post

going to copy the text if you guys don't mind, could find it easily online, the Crichton critique on environment, I think that all true religion fills the space within all humans with a personal god, and I believe that all of the SJW/neomarxists/ideologists try to fill the exact same spot with ideology

@Deejay from Earth I think the was we are evolving, eventually we will all have the choice to seek enlightenment and plug into the spirtual internet much like we have the ability to learn science and 3d print devices/build software/CRISPr

coming back to the critique on environmentalism, I think that the Neomarxists are trying to block our connection to the kingdom within, by putting an ideology in its place

communism is a highly sophisticated spiritual warfare weapon

what is kinism?

I think we need to reach people on the spiritual level

I've seen intelligent friends brainwashed, it's sad

but the spiritual needs to be shown to people in ways that they can understand

in vedantas book they say the different yogas were ways for different natured people to acheive enlightenment

so intellectuals need to be shown it intellectually

and emotional people need to be shown truth emotionally

in my mind science has explained religion and they align perfectly, the people that disagree are humanities students

spiritual people need to know god directly like you are advocating @Deejay from Earth

but some people in our societies are shamans and some are musicians and some are inventors and they all express god through their attention

I think that the mass of communists in south africa still have gogos that pay funeral cover for a big funeral because they believe in god

and I think that's the angle that needs to be worked in south africa

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.

it is critical that we evolve spiritually

different types of people exist, some are messy, some are organised, some talk to god at night, some don't but we all have the potential to speak to god. Our purpose though is to live the life god intended, not to escape it.

The bhagavad gita starts with Arjuna(a great warrior) facing an army of his cousins and starting to wonder whether all the bloodshed is worth it... Krishna (his friend) arrives, reveals his true identity as Krishna and explains that Arjuna is a great warrior and that he _must_ fight and then proceeds to explain the nature of reality to Arjuna

you guys up for a debate on this?

thanks for the elaboration @Malcolm the Seceder

fair stance

I think group is more cultural than racial, and those thoughts are pretty default

@Deejay from Earth interesting, I like the idea of the Renaissance man being able to do a bit of everything, and certainly today you can be quite a prolific tinkerer in the material realm in mainstream society

I think we're tripping over words here

I think ideas and ideology are different

I think ideology is the worship of ideas

so you have an ideology

that is the idea that you worship

like capitalism, etc

so in the outside world it is fine

there are loads of ideologies

but in the spiritual world it isn't fine to subscribe to any ideology that doesn't put a personal connection between you and god

so if you 'believe' in social justice you put the cause of social justice in your heart, if you 'believe' in capitalism you put money in your heart

and you always try to accumulate more of that

but the point of the major religions was working out that actually you have this port in your heart to the source of all creation and that is the only thing worth going there

read the Crichton PDF "Today, one of the most powerful religions in the Western World is
environmentalism. Environmentalism seems to be the religion of choice for
urban atheists. Why do I say it's a religion? Well, just look at the beliefs.
If you look carefully, you see that environmentalism is in fact a perfect
21st century remapping of traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs and myths.
There's an initial Eden, a paradise, a state of grace and unity with nature,
there's a fall from grace into a state of pollution as a result of eating
from the tree of knowledge, and as a result of our actions there is a
judgment day coming for us all. We are all energy sinners, doomed to die,
unless we seek salvation, which is now called sustainability. Sustainability
is salvation in the church of the environment. Just as organic food is its
communion, that pesticide-free wafer that the right people with the right
beliefs, imbibe." consider how these hardwired biological slots get filled by ideology

My basis is the physiological reality, as I said the chakra system maps to the glands in the endochrine system, your body produces extremely powerful tryptamines and an orgasm in your pineal gland could definitely trigger a spiritual experience, all of the religions seem to be started by someone who unlocks the secret and chooses to help humanity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodhisattva)

also each religion gets centralised and corrupted, like clockwork

we are in cospiracy corner though, have you read the law of one, ra material?

channeled work allegedly from Ra

absolutely

so much disinfo

and distraction

that's why seeking within is important

if you are truly ready for the truth you then 10+day fast or you eat 10+g of 🍄 and it's always been there

but I wouldn't recommend hanging around, I think that the spirit world has good and evil, just like the material world, I think exploring extremely deeply is a calling

free will is the whole point of this reality

fasting is the ultimate non external way

available to everyone at all times

I came to this whole thing in a very roundabout manner, so I have no problems with cubensis I think it might have played a crucial role in our development as a species, but you definitely don't need it

but the mushroom is another conscious entity that you interact with that helps you. I suppose it wouldn't be as direct. similarly the jungle plants seem to be different entities.

as I was saying earlier I think that sages and scientists are similar, in that the environments that they need to go to to find truth are potentially remote and hazardous, and the lessons learned are more important than the laboratories.. if you get the message hang up the phone

5 is the usual heroic dose level

more is better because you don't really have any options and your entire ego is obliterated immediately, you don't have enough consciousness to notice entities or spirits on the way, just exposure to the torrential river of all creation

obviously don't do that on a nite out in long st

lol

shame

I love regular mushrooms

but there is a mental association that makes shrooms taste worse over time, or at least they did for me for ages

I used to use rooibos tea sometimes and then I couldn't even drink normal rooibos for a while

as I said, it seems like a fair default position. but I always think that the reactionary racial thing is _also_ driven by neomarxists hell bent on dividing the enemy(christians).

ie let's break off some of the opposition into nazism (racial socialism)

water fast?

you only do water fast or not fasting, no intermittent fasting?

well, you would if the person was charming and intelligent and hard working and rich and courting your daughter, surely (and a Christian)

and legit (ie has family and they are normal)

not a con man

I think in general encouraging anything for or against in the field of marriage for people unrelated to us is impinging on free will

don't stop until you can levitate

Michael Jackson had the right idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwq6NrXRtns

don't?

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

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