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2018-07-18 18:32:23 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

2018-07-18 18:33:21 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Dankie, uiteindelik dit op gekry.

2018-07-18 18:33:42 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  


2018-07-18 19:55:14 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #afrikaans]  

Ja maar hoe werk daai getalle? is dit mense wat op eens op was of sluit dit mense wat in en uit is? nog nie gesien dat beide meer as 150 op een slag gesien het nie, maar ek hou oomk nie permanent dop nie so ja.

2018-07-18 20:20:21 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Yeah people that can't control their emotions arent likely to reason very well.. probably for the best

2018-07-18 20:23:10 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  


2018-07-18 20:25:00 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

well duh, I have seen similar if not worse than this, but context really helps to judge righteously, instead of judging on appearance dont you think?

2018-07-18 20:30:15 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Die video gaan nie te ver nie, so dit is nie so erg om te kyk nie

2018-07-18 20:30:37 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Willem, add net n NSFW warning as dinge erg raak in sulke vids

2018-07-18 20:32:24 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

I am curious to understand the motivation to collect such content, just personal curiousity, no agenda.. Care to express any reason that motivates you Hoppen?

2018-07-18 20:33:42 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Ah thank you Willem, appreciate it.

2018-07-18 20:36:44 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Not sure what you mean Hoppen, you mean politically incorrect?

2018-07-18 20:39:30 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

okay, well i dont consider that necessarily politically incorrect, it's far more popular among the politically correct from my own personal experiences of the people that openly share these things. But I suppose making it a racial matter explains it.

2018-07-18 20:40:54 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Yes this is what happens when there is no rule of law, the people then take the law in their own hands, and it is chaos.. The law is not for the righteous people, it is for people like this, who want to make their own.

2018-07-18 20:44:09 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Kyk na hul geskiedenis, hul kultuur.. dit is in hulle programeer die manier hoe hulle uitkyk na die wereld. Hulle respekteer emosie, nie intellek nie

2018-07-18 20:46:16 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Agreed Hoppen, the truth of nature is as we see it, we shouldnt fear it, we should carve a place out of nature for ourselves, and make it home.

2018-07-18 20:48:54 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

After all, we have the law on our side. ๐Ÿ˜ƒ the law is not for the righteous, but for the thieves, the rapists, the murderers and all things unholy. The law will make a comeback, it is natural for chaos to be made order by the conquerors.

2018-07-18 21:01:36 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Agreed, i think that could be interesting, more community driven framework online instead of political motivations. I dont like how everything has to be made political these days, whatever happened to right and wrong, now we have left, right and centre, and both extremes and all other grey areas in between.

2018-07-18 21:06:43 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

Yeah but that's if you intend on making it a social matter... Dont think he is suggesting another social platform, but rather a community oriented goal to define ourselves accordingly. Websites attract attention, as long as you share it and give a good enough reason for people to stick around.

2018-07-18 21:12:45 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #video-ideas]  

I'm out for tonight, cheers

2018-07-19 13:07:43 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

The spamming is annoying honestly.

2018-07-19 15:43:32 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Lol interesting read

2018-07-19 16:41:11 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Why wouldn't they be? The same could be asked about BLF and ANC.

2018-07-19 16:55:31 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

That was a genuinely good question, environment shapes our perspective and our understanding. If we could be taught a lie, and believe it, then sure our understanding is conditioned to understand the world differently than what it really is. Deception of the highest degree, a lie so big, you couldn't comprehend it. It matters to anyone who is reasonable, while others content with their own knowledge, which is to be ignorant. I take interest in this conspiracy myself, because it matters to me what i understand the truth to be, and so many exposing controversy of deceptions and lies surrounding NASA really doesn't comfort me and average Joe that cannot exactly go and check for myself. So i keep what works, and what doesn't work i discard, and whatever idea produces the most accurate results to what i want to achieve, the closer i am to the truth. I think for everyone else interested in this are curious for similar reasons. It's interesting stuff to see the variety of reasons people use to argue their points of view and how they define justifiable evidence.

2018-07-19 17:01:06 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Yes a valid question i like to ask as well... I'm a space fanatic myself, i enjoy the science fictions, but i do have a tendency to think of space as a fiction, because science fictions tend to try to portray a liberal utopia, which also is a fantasy in reality. Is it coincidence that the push for this reasoning and belief is what lead the world to what it is today? I mean consider they way they think and reason, and then do so with everyone who has a different view, how their views impact their reality and choices.

2018-07-19 17:02:26 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

I'm not arguing for or against either flat earth or global earth. I just expressing my observations

2018-07-19 17:07:34 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Oh yeah, I've gone to dark places, the heart is deceptive, and desperately wicked; and i know it. I know how great the deception could be.

2018-07-19 17:12:53 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

The mark of an intellectual man, is a man that entertain an idea without accepting it. So run with it, entertain the idea, and then see how that impacts your perception and perspective, then you know what to look for as evidence. When you find that evidence exactly as your predicted it... Would that not be the truth? Of course, it could totally be a joke, but at least you would know. See what it offers, and how it impacts your life and understanding of the world around you... We all kind of feel helpless now, struggling to solve problems. Clearly our understanding is not what it could be, because then we would have solutions to problems.

2018-07-19 17:13:24 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Hope i don't come off too crazy, but if you are here reading any of this, you obviously curious.

2018-07-19 17:23:22 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

@Arcade_Hustle agreed, he was very right.

2018-07-19 17:34:59 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #memes]  


2018-07-19 17:41:56 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #memes]

2018-07-19 17:51:33 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Correct, it's ideological. Ideology plays a big role in our perception, and so ideology is essentially perception. On one side of the argument, there are people who have ideas, on the other, the perception that ideas have people. One side sees open minded people as conspiracy theories, the other sees the narrow minded as the conspiracy theorists. Even coming down to subjects as controversial as slavery, one side cannot fathom a reason to justify, the other perfectly capable of justifying it reasonably. It's flippen interesting to see how differently people perceive and reason. But yes it comes down to ideology, even those that reject ideology, are subject to ideology.

2018-07-19 18:10:46 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  


2018-07-19 18:13:41 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Well it is ideologically driven... What else drives our ability to reason?

Definition of ideology. plural ideologies. 1 : visionary theorizing. 2 a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture. b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture.

2018-07-19 18:32:12 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Yes agreed, i always like to think curiousity is the voice of reason. I'm open minded, and i see your perspective as well. But curiousity still doesn't take away from the fact that our understanding is based on our perception. Since we don't create it, only observe it, we therefore don't create ideas, but instead recognize ideas and willingly serve the good ideas and reject the bad, or ignorantly get enslaved by other ideas, deceptively believing it to be our own for profit most likely... (Those people that let their emotions dictate their reason, and exploit others feelings.)

Ideology is at the core of our ability to reason, curiousity itself is not reason, but it is the means that lead to intellectual stimulation, where as feelings the means of emotional stimulation. Some reason with with their feelings, others feelings dictate their reason. There's only one truth, but many lies.

2018-07-19 18:41:58 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Yes, and that truth is an idea none the less. The idea of truth is a concept. And you have a collection or body of concepts that make up your understanding and help you understand how the pieces fit together, and how to interact with the world to get the desired results. This is what ideology is.

How do you define ideology then, if not a set of ideas and principles that influence our understanding and interpretation of our environment and solve our problems?

2018-07-19 18:58:22 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

I'm not disagreeing with you on that, but your method of science is an idea in itself, it's an idea of how to determine the truth. People can't agree on what the truth is because we can't agree on a means to determine truth, one prefers a method they themselves can apply and witness it for themselves, another prefers the idea that an authority they trust in tells them what the truth is. And this can be broken down into many layers. So as far as ideology goes, its real, it exists, that's what spiritual nature and realm is, that's what drives our cognitive experiences. Ideas really impact experiences and what we call reality.

You can't go and say you have no idea what truth or reality is can you? Let me repeat that. "You can't go and say you have NO IDEA what truth or reality is". You must have an idea, idea is the key-word in ideology.

2018-07-19 19:08:21 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Lol nature is governed by principles, so is the water that flows with the idea of gravity... =)

2018-07-19 19:16:59 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Yes, and faith is in the principles, the idea you've been observing and know to be true. Understanding the idea to the degree that you can explain it confidently. But that's leading into another conversation, let's first find common ground on what ideology is.

2018-07-19 19:17:54 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Jy is welkom in saam in te spring, kop eerste.

2018-07-19 19:19:55 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Because sharing a common understanding is how we can continue to reason together, and ensure we don't have to wrestle with prejudices trying to distract us. If we can't bother to reason and find common ground, how do we expect to share the same space together?

2018-07-19 19:27:46 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Okay so you decided to change the definition of ideology then... Based on what? Reason, or feelings... The heart is deceptive and desperately wicked; but who can know it?

Humility is a virtue, pride is a sin. I would suggest you give that some thought. I'm a little tired now, thanks for this, I'll definitely be back for more DeeJay, i enjoy your company.

2018-07-19 20:17:14 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

@Shiver ooh Thanks man, i actually like ambient music, . Very captivating playing subtly in the background. Can understand the purpose of the imagery too, captivating music with a captivating scene, conveniently a bad ass looking space pilot in an awesome looking roadster. Can entertain myself into that scenery with simple justifications, allows me to immerse myself into that idea.

2018-07-19 20:39:49 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Blamed the municipality for not making more land available... This is the other side of the argument that irks some people off, is the growing population and demand, and with it grows this burden of entitlement that the municipality is expected to deliver.

2018-07-19 20:46:45 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Ja the outright denial of the truth, too proud to acknowledge they are wrong. Insecurity thanks to political correctness that dictate their beliefs...

2018-07-19 20:55:54 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Gaan nog gebeur ja, ek sien ongelukkig die lyn gaan oor getrap word soos dit aangaan.

2018-07-19 20:58:24 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

How do you even like something on this thread? That made me chuckle, haven't seen that one yet. ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-07-19 21:07:05 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

I just saw that one in the memes group, thanks for providing the chuckles ๐Ÿ˜†

2018-07-19 21:10:15 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

There you go, got the xp for that lol awesome doodle, but i prefer the portrayl of him in the memes group more suitable to his reputation.

2018-07-19 21:16:49 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Dont be whipping out and measuring in public lol๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ˜†

2018-07-19 21:17:58 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Natal here

2018-07-19 22:23:38 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  


2018-07-20 05:48:28 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

@Deejay van die Plat Aarde and a good morning to you too. Will see you around this evening, and participate with you on the topic. Looking forward to it ๐Ÿ™‚

@Shiver use vector graphics like png, scales better without losing quality.

Oops moes dit in Afrikaans se

2018-07-20 08:00:52 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Lol is 'n bot daai

2018-07-20 08:44:47 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

@Stefan my ook gevang lol

2018-07-20 09:16:26 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Superstition to justify their desires lol

2018-07-20 09:34:10 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Perspective is a big factor... This is why it's more ideological than anything else really.

2018-07-20 09:41:26 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

They don't want to be proven wrong, so not going to happen if they can prevent it lol

2018-07-20 09:48:31 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

I think it's closer to a third of the populace honestly

2018-07-20 10:16:15 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Speaking of votes, who's planning on voting what parties?

2018-07-20 10:21:46 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Priorities man... Your priorities are on the means to make money... Sounds Jewish to me ๐Ÿค”

2018-07-20 10:29:21 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Independence is the way to go

2018-07-20 10:40:01 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

The minds and values of the youth these days..

2018-07-20 10:44:05 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

And ridiculous restrictions to smother production

2018-07-20 10:47:11 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Pretty sure the (((they))) refer to the influencial ones with a clear political agenda isn't it?

2018-07-20 10:50:18 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #local-news]  

Yeah good suggestion, instead of a chaotic mish-mash, should organise it, and structure it.

2018-07-20 10:59:10 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

@rob there's a room for that now

2018-07-20 11:00:12 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Hah no worries, will see you around there?

2018-07-20 11:01:31 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Isn't Scotland that place where the guy got into shit for teaching his dog a trick?

2018-07-20 11:04:14 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Lol yeah that guy spams a lot, which is why he got a room for it... But he isn't that bad, at least he is more engaging than the average propagandist

2018-07-20 11:08:11 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

I think teaching my dog to do tricks is nice... Doesn't sound like a nice place for me honestly.

2018-07-20 11:19:31 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #general]  

Why is humanity so gullible lol

2018-07-20 11:55:30 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Jeez you guys type fast, trying to keep up lol

2018-07-20 11:56:44 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

I'm on the phone, power out this side ๐Ÿ˜‘

2018-07-20 11:57:17 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  


2018-07-20 12:12:14 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Settler is perfect yes

2018-07-20 12:13:47 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Agreed yes

2018-07-20 12:15:09 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Why do you believe that? And wouldn't a blood test confirm and deny as a matter of fact as opposed to just a suspicion?

2018-07-20 12:16:46 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Lol no matter rob, this is a spiritual battle, not of flesh and blood.

2018-07-20 12:17:21 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Oh okay, mothers side of Germanic and fathers side is French

2018-07-20 12:18:20 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Yeah same here, kinda sucks that my history got cut off... Stupid that family broke up not too long ago ๐Ÿ˜‘

2018-07-20 12:19:09 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Well I'm open to seeing what you have to share DeeJay. I can can entertain ideas

2018-07-20 12:23:59 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

I don't want to look for it later lol since this is YouTube videos mostly, create a Playlist, and share the Playlist, will bring your spam count down, but also offer a lot of follow up vids with one link.

2018-07-20 12:27:54 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

My battery is almost flat and you want to start now lol

2018-07-20 12:28:59 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Let's maybe just get our methods of reasoning straight? Make sure we on the same page in what we accept

2018-07-20 12:31:39 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Why not make this formal? What we've been doing so far is pretty casual, but this is already a topic we formally agreed on doing, which is already formal as i see it.

2018-07-20 12:35:02 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Yeah, let's start with a common principle that we all can agree on? I like the golden rule, And use that principle as reference to our agreement on what we can best relate to as fair and equal.

2018-07-20 12:38:33 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Yes, agreed with you guys.. But creation is the balance of the two. Balance is key. Always have to balance everything to solve problems lol

2018-07-20 12:39:20 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Lol why ms paint, if you going to be cheap, then at least get gimp

2018-07-20 12:41:39 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

You are always welcome here bud, i like both of your company so far, both of you are very engaging intellectuals. It's a relief from the emotional drama found in other parts of the net.

2018-07-20 12:45:06 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Well if you define the one, the other is defined naturally. So we can discuss either materialism or spirituality

2018-07-20 12:46:35 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Lol after chowing down on ๐Ÿ„ i have likened it to a VR like experience honestly

2018-07-20 12:48:17 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Yes, well those that are emotional are, they are subject to nature's will, biology at work, part of the system, where is intellectuals, are the players with avatars to have an experience

2018-07-20 12:48:50 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  


2018-07-20 12:49:44 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Ever noticed how predictable the emotional heathens are? Like badly programmed AI

2018-07-20 12:50:48 UTC [Willem Petzer Live Chat #info-wars]  

Flat earth makes sense in a matrix lol, majority of games use that model of you've opened a map from an editor.

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