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my logo vir Willem

Was kinist teaching widely adhered to in reformed churches in South Africa? The term kinism seems to be relatively recent though.
What is the Afrikaanse Protestantse Kerk view of this?
https ://www.gotquestions.org/kinism.html

please join voice chat

thats on desktop

need mic and speakers

talking about race and iq

please join voice chat

SA gun laws are causing chaos at the moment.

Im just asking on GOSA facebook group.

What is your source for info on componet regulations in SA?

Thanks Frederick

It seems the only way we can keep our guns is from a grassroots level. I know of only the Freedom Front Plus who spoke out against this outrageous gun law .

my mike is af

@Piesangslaai wat is jou twitter address?

almal asb

Enige iemand wie dit al gelees het hier?

Hallo almal

Kan ons dankbaar wees dat Mandela ons nie almal laat vermoor het nie? Het hy daai mag gehad?

"The left vs. right paradigm is one of the most destructive forces I have witnessed in my lifetime. It is a nearly fail-proof impediment to either side ever progressing in their understanding of right vs wrong, because all they can ever see/hear is “your guy did it too” or “the other side is hypocritical/ has a re-election agenda”, etc. Any appeal to reason, morality, or principles derived from natural law is met with the retort of “that’s just what the left/right wants you to think”.

Refusing to look through the distorting prism of either left or right can free you from debates/concerns which are not germane to your calling and can provide 100x more mental/spiritual clarity for those issues which are.

I am convinced that one of the most effective self-improvement steps that an individual can make is to free themselves from this political paradigm. Remove yourself from the toxic echo chambers of media that exploit this left vs right dynamic. Only then can you begin to seek out or develop a moral philosophy and evaluate various issues in its light."
Mason Drake

I think George Washington was on to something when he warned of the dangers of political parties.

Hallo @HoppeanSnake_ZA Can you understand afrikaans

@Malcolm the Seceder A Free Church of Scotland minister sent me this message a couple of years ago:

I gave the talk at the Free North last Sunday. The talk was called "Mandela and the Missionary Legacy". Essentially it was looking at how, at almost every major point of his life, Mandela had contact with the Gospel, and the missionary legacy. From his Methodist school, to Clarkbury, Headltown, Fort Hare, during his growing political awareness, even his commitment to armed struggle has an echo in the Presbyterian belief in the overthrow of tyrants, by force if necessary, as well as at Robben Island, to his later contact with Dr Michael Cassidy. The conclusion, however, is far from clear as to what spiritual difference this made upon him, though in terms of common grace it made a huge contribution to a more or less peaceful transition to a democratic South Africa.

Do you think the ANCs Peoples War and the Presbyterian belief in the overthrow of tyrants are the same?

@Willem Petzer wat do you think of the dorsland trekkers? We have manny of their heirs in Kleinmond

Premier Helen Zille
1 hr ·
Minister Bheki Cele has just rejected my request for the SANDF to support the police in protecting the people of Zwelihle, Mount Pleasant, Hawston, Hermanus, Sandy Bay and the whole of Overstrand from the rule of lawless thugs.
They have usurped the role of the state and are refusing to allow any service to enter the area, not even medical, sanitation or refuse removal. Children are out of school. Services -- such as the library, swimming pool and recycling depot, are destroyed.
People are intimidated to join the roving bands of marauders, who are burning people's possessions and refusing to allow anyone out of the area to go to work.
When the role of the state is usurped by bandits, and the police are outnumbered, it is time to send in the SANDF, Minister Cele.
I am going to be joining DA Leader, Mmusi Maimane now in Manenberg to march in support of community calls for the SANDF to support police against the rule of gangs and thugs. We cannot allow SA to become a Thugocracy.
^HZ

@Willem Petzer het jou video in Gereformeerde kampvuur Fb groep gepos kry toe die comment.

My antwoord.

Wat dink ander mense van dit? Soos ek verstaan is dit om die SA geskiedenis van uit n Gereformeerde sieningte probeer te beskou. Willem self is n Dopper student. Hoekom kom mr nie saam en bespreek op sy discord aanlyn kroeg nie?

"Ruan Steyn: Nee, dit is om die Wit Afrikaner-geskiedenis probeer te verdedig - definitief nie vanuit 'n gereformeerde siening nie. Hy mag dalk 'n eerstejaar student wees, maar dit maak nie van sy videos gereformeerd nie. Hoe dra al hierdie dinge by tot die koninkryk van God en die verkondiging daarvan?"

"Jacques Prince Ruan Steyn ek stem saam dat dit nie noodwendig die beste plek is vir so 'n video nie, maar ek glo egter dat deel van ons Christelike plig, in uitvoering van die negende gebod, is om misleidings en vals stories oor die verlede, wat Christene (of individueel of 'n betrokke groep) benadeel, te probeer regstel.

Vals gerugte en propoganda benadeel ons vermoë om die evangelie uit te dra ook. Dis my siening daarvan."

@Willem Petzer Miskien kan ons 'n Afrikaanse groep begin Gereformeerd en Liberalisties soos engelse groep reformed libertarian hier https://www.facebook.com/groups/reformedlibertarian/

hoekom is jy verban?

Het jou die thread geepos @Willem Petzer

"Daniel van Straaten: Ruan Steyn hoe kan ons vredemakers wees in Suid Afrika? Ons moet die waarheid praat. Daar is geen vrede sonder die waarheid nie."

Definitions are so important in political discussions

@Willem Petzer I worked with Carl van Wyk

facebook.com/DandVParty

@Willem Petzer "A policeman has been hacked by the rioters in Zwelihle. He's seriously injured in his head, rifle has been taken away from him by the group of violent mob. This strengthens our call for the Army to come and save our people. My heartfelt sympathy to the family of the policeman involved. I wish him speedy recovery. Best, Masizole Mnqasela, Member of Provincial Parliament"

It is a desperate situation there.

"I simply cannot stress the stress the unrest in Hermanus has caused. It's going to take years to generate enough profit to pay for the loss. That's the tragedy. Call me cold if you like. But the poor are better off with benefactors, than without. It astounds me how many tear down the former while professing to speak for the latter. In any event by my relatively knowledgeable opinion the current cost of unrest has cost over R1bn very conservatively."

I am just quoting from news sources on FB. I don't know if the army will help or not.

Take a look at Daniel van Straaten (@dvstr): https://twitter.com/dvstr

Join audio chat if you can

@Willem Petzer why not have a section on theology?

and economics

@Willem Petzer what do you think of this, Peter Hammond is apparently a kinist: https://www.reddit.com/r/Reformed/comments/89pi4a/kinism_as_heresy/

Perhaps we should have a #book channel

Peter Hammonds lack of use of the term Kinism, does not necessarily make him free from the doctrine of kinism. What do you make of this?

"I have discussed this matter with numerous pastors, theologians and authors throughout South Africa, in Europe and in America. Almost every one of them has agreed that the social and domestic consequences of interracial and inter-cultural marriages are disastrous. Most also agreed that they believed that such unions were unBiblical. However, only a few were willing to speak out openly against it, from the pulpit, or in counselling. There are a number of fine missions in Africa, experiencing Spiritual Revival, whose founders and directors have told me directly that they never have, and never will, marry people of different races, as they believe that to be sin.

I have many friends of all races. However, to marry across the colour line would be to me to betray my parents and all of our ancestors, and my children and future generations. Most importantly I believe it would be a betrayal to Almighty God, who has set the boundaries between nations."

https://www.frontline.org.za/index.php?option=com_content...

It seems to me that he identifies ethnicity and culture. These are two separate things.

@$P!KY\/!k!NG would you describe yourself as a kinist or are you still working it out? Are you a professing Christian?

Premier Helen Zille
22 mins ·
I have just returned home from my last meeting and will write a final post for the day.
After concerted police action throughout the night brought calm to Zwelihle and Hermanus, Minister Bheki Cele entered the area with various high ranking policemen, councillors, members of parliament and myself.
After an initial warm reception for the Minister, the crowd turned volatile and hostile in a flash when he said he would not order the release of Gcobani Ndzongana, the young man who is seen as the leader of the group called Zwelihle Renewal, which is believed to have ties with Black First Land First (BLF). This group has been responsible for attack people, destroying property and an arson-based reign of terror against anyone who disagrees with them.
After trying to restore calm, the Minister left, on roads strewn with rocks and rubble.
There have been millions of Rands of damage to infrastructure, and (worse) people have been attacked and totally traumatised.
It is an absolute miracle that we have not had another Marikana with the police firing on residents -- even when the police are under attack they have been restrained, to the point where a policeman has severe head injuries after being attacked by an axe-wielding man. The search for solutions within the law, continues. ^HZ

That is good that you read the Bible. I also prefer my ethnic group but I would not say it is a sin for a person to marry someone of a different ethnic group. That is a man made law.

@$P!KY\/!k!NG They are part of the ceremonial laws and now abrogated (besides a person from any ethnic group could become a Israelite and marry another Israelite in the old despensation ):

See Westminster Confession of Faith.

III. Beside this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws, containing several typical ordinances, partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, His graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits;(d) and partly holding forth divers instructions of moral duties.(e) All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the new testament.(f)

(d) Heb. 9 chap.; Heb. 10:1; Gal. 4:1, 2, 3; Col. 2:17.
(e) I Cor. 5:7; II Cor. 6:17; Jude ver. 23.
(f) Col. 2:14, 16, 17; Dan. 9:27; Eph. 2:15, 16.

https://www.ligonier.org/learn/articles/westminster-confession-faith/

@$P!KY\/!k!NG are you a Hebrew roots believer?

@$P!KY\/!k!NG everyone have a confession, some are just written down.

It is what you believe the bible teach arranged in a systematic way.

Truths logically relate to each other. That is what is a confession is about

Do you go to a church?

Where do you live @$P!KY\/!k!NG ?

@HoppeanSnake_ZA "'miscegenation is a Biblical doctrine' "

The question of who you are allowed to marry as a Christian, is only other Christians of the opposite sex.

What is the problem?

How about this clip of oom Kruger for intro of Pofadder media https://youtu.be/y-qX4SdZEEA?t=4366 😬

What do you think of this website? https://www.isiphambano.com/

Looks like they are influenced by cultural marxism

"But people calling for social justice often have no coherent definition of justice to identify; instead, they offer a grab-bag of platitudes, often in contradiction with each other (see, for example, the people who wish to combat racism by celebrating racially segregated graduation ceremonies , as a means of, somehow, upholding the incompatible platitudinous ideals of both racial diversity and racial inclusivity)." https://t.co/G2z2CYCzhM

Nee, graphic designer

video van Joel in video gepost.

why not join audio chat @Sheamus

yes of course

and you can ask questions via text

I mean if you want to ask a question, just type the text

@Malcolm the Seceder do your shop sell this?

There was a live chat why was this disabled?

Hy was blykbaar by MisesU in die VSA

What was the fight about @Willem Petzer ?

Talking about Soros @TruthCanary

"However, people do not ask for socialism because they know that socialism will improve their conditions, and they do not reject capitalism because they know that it is a system prejudicial to their interests. They are socialists because they believe that socialism will improve their conditions, and they hate capitalism because they believe that it harms them. They are socialists because they are blinded by envy and ignorance. They stubbornly refuse to study economics and spurn the economists' devastating critique of the socialist plans because, in their eyes, economics, being an abstract theory, is simply nonsense. They pretend to trust only in experience. But they no less stubbornly refuse to take cognizance of the undeniable facts of experience, namely, that the common man's standard of living is incomparably higher in capitalistic American than in the socialist paradise of the Soviets." The Anti-Capitalistic Mentality, Ludwig von Mises

Renegade Report

@Malcolm the Seceder this is a great group on FB

What are you a fan of?

How do you define libertarian?

Malcolm they are talking english again

@Malcolm the Seceder Willem Petzer describes himself as a Paleo Libertarian

I appreciate leaders like Rand and Ron Paul.

!invite

@Rendier can you get Hellen Zille on here?

Where are you from @The Burn ?

Are you on FB? It is focused on the reformed (theological sense) view of politics.

The main guys are reformed baptist but some are presbyterian

They have a website called reformedlibertarian.com

from the film the book thief.

@Willem Petzer @Shiver @Rendier how about someone change the Swastika into the ANC logo and change the words to their freedom song?

It is not a profession of faith, which may indeed be insincere, but a confession of faith, which by definition is sincere, that indicates one is a Christian.

What do you make of this? "Lockean equality involves not merely equality before legislators, judges, and police, but, far more crucially, equality with legislators, judges, and police."

https://mises.org/library/equality-unknown-ideal

@Klipkop (Clip-Cop) If I can be a grammar justice warrior here, it should be "It's safe in Orania" not "Its safe in Orania" note the apostrophe.

@KoninginTanja a FB friend who do personal self-defence training

We were talking about making self-defence videos

https://www.facebook.com/rob.hutchinson.3386/posts/10160605247100134

Rob Hutchinson
22 hrs
"Cyril Ramaphosa has managed to sign an investment deal with China valued at R196 billion."
Most do not understand what this implies. Don't be fooled into thinking the money to ease SA's R2,7 trillion debt burden is coming from China or anywhere else. It's not as if Cyril handed out SA's banking details and said: "do an EFT". The Chinese deal (and others) allow countries to build their infrastructure in South Africa.

One such agreement, between China and Eskom, is for the construction and management of unnamed facilities, to the value of R33 billion. Others are with Transnet (rail, ports and pipeline) and an undisclosed Financial Sector investment, probably BRICS or a Chinese bank.

Now, the agreement with China includes a provision for the relaxation of visa applications for their workforce. That's correct, China ships in Chinese nationals to build the infrastructure and has a reputation throughout Africa for leaving their workforce behind long after completion of a project.

Such practice is visible as close to us as Angola, where China built an entire City of apartments, 750 eight-story buildings able to house 500,000. The city stood empty for many years as selling prices were far above what the average Angolan could afford. Their solution? Provide long-term, low-cost loans from Chinese banks to locals - effectively bonding them for a lifetime.

A similar practice is already evident in South Africa with low-cost "to rent only" high-density Chinese developments popping up wherever you look. One has to wonder if Chinese nationals will be beneficiaries of land expropriation without compensation.

I have to ask the question; How does this benefit us as South African citizens, taxpayers and job-seekers? Please share your thoughts.

I would be interested in your views of this @HoppeanSnake_ZA I think I have audio problems.

"There is a concerning lack of transparency in CR's recent China deals which could lead to another form of State Capture. We seem to have forgotten that China Development Bank, who yesterday invested R33bn in Eskom and an undisclosed amount in Transnet, was implicated in several dodgy deals highlighted in Thuli Madonsela's State Capture report.

At the BRICS summit in Durban five years ago, Brian Molefe cut a deal with China Development Bank for R50 billion. The deal was for locomotives supplied by China rail - trains which should and could have been built in SA. This deal included well-documented kickbacks for the Guptas.

Then Brian Molefe moved onto Eskom and struck another deal with China Development Bank for another R50 billion.

Furthermore, China Development Bank has picked up Eskom's deal with Hitachi to finance Kusile power station - the same Hitachi which was found guilty of corruption in the Medupi deals of around R40 billion.

Two weeks ago the BRICS New Development bank loaned Transnet R2.7 billion for the Durban ports.

As we all know, the State-Owned entities mentioned above are currently undergoing countless inquiries and investigations for serious corruption and are, by the admittance of their senior executives, still filled with corruption. These kinds of deals can only be considered as odious debt - not in the best interests of the majority of the people.

With the BRICS summit once again on the go in SA, we seem to be witnessing history repeat itself. The game is the same only the players have changed."

https://www.facebook.com/rob.hutchinson.3386/posts/10160608605690134

Why are some cultures better than other ones? @Willem Petzer @TruthCanary

"Christianity has profoundly changed the societies to which it has come, their institutions, beliefs, and cultures. What has emerged can only be described as a new civilization."

http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=110

Hoekom het daar soveel jong mense die gereformeerde kerk verlaat?
Why did so many young people leave the reformed church?
@Willem Petzer
https://babylonbee.com/news/congregation-prays-graduating-senior-be-protected-from-basic-secular-arguments-they-never-bothered-to-prepare-her-for/

@TruthCanary I think @Willem Petzer would not approve this video, a professing Calvinist.

https://www.the-highway.com/perseverance_Boettner.html

Isn't this emphasis on the importance of high IQ and boasting in ones ethnicity carnally mindedness? I'd rather be holy than intelligent or Afrikaans. @Malcolm the Seceder

Willems

Isn't it unproductive generalizing about IQ when talking about ethnic groups in the context of political discussions? What's the end game here? I suppose some could interpret you proposing that European's are smarter and therefore should be in government. How's that suppose to help us in this situation?

Ernst Roets seems to want to avoid IQ in political discussions. See his interview with Willem. @Willem Petzer I am trying to understand your reasoning behind your use of IQ.

How is what he is trying to do different to what Willem is?

!levels

GOSA vs SAPS Summary

Judgement handed down:

1) it is directed that SAPS are prohibited from any plan of action to collect surrendered firearms
2) this application is postponed to the normal roll
3) that by declaratory order of court the periods in 24 etc of the Act may be extended for people to apply on good cause shown
4) The Feb 2016 directive is withdrawn
5) the IT system of CFR must be repaired to accept late renewals
6) SAPS is ordered to issue a directive that the IT system be repaired
7) Any late renewal apps must show good cause
8)any applicant shall be deemed to be in lawful possession

' "The left vs. right paradigm is one of the most destructive forces I have witnessed in my lifetime. It is a nearly fail-proof impediment to either side ever progressing in their understanding of right vs wrong, because all they can ever see/hear is “your guy did it too” or “the other side is hypocritical/ has a re-election agenda”, etc. Any appeal to reason, morality, or principles derived from natural law is met with the retort of “that’s just what the left/right wants you to think”.

Refusing to look through the distorting prism of either left or right can free you from debates/concerns which are not germane to your calling and can provide 100x more mental/spiritual clarity for those issues which are.

I am convinced that one of the most effective self-improvement steps that an individual can make is to free themselves from this political paradigm. Remove yourself from the toxic echo chambers of media that exploit this left vs right dynamic. Only then can you begin to seek out or develop a moral philosophy and evaluate various issues in its light."
Mason Drake

I think George Washington was on to something when he warned of the dangers of political parties. '

https://www.facebook.com/kyle.labosky/posts/1376665832478181

@w

"Since Keynes, interventionism (which is vague), rather than classical socialism reformism (which is specific), has become the name of the game. This is because socialism itself had fallen into disrepute. Or at least it did until the post-Bush II years." http://austrolibertarian.com/marxism-reformism-and-interventionism/

@TruthCanary @HoppeanSnake_ZA I think you'll enjoy above article

I think I spotted you at the braai last time:

From More Than Conquerers - Hendriksen

With @Daniebees and the other guy from I think NZ I had a good talk here about Bitcoin.

I think I understand it better now and would appreciate correcting my understanding below:

Bitcoin is a type of IP, which can't be copied. Each coin is unique. The coins are generated using an algorism. Each time a coin is generated it takes more computer power to generate the new coin. There is a limit to the amount of coins that can be generated. People value it because of its underlying technology blockchain, which make peer-to-peer transactions possible thus avoiding 3rd parties that can take money from you. The value of the coin depends supply and demand.

The Blockchain system can be used apart from Bitcoin to make transactions between two people using any commodity. I am more at ease with this idea. See: https://mises.org/library/how-blockchain-and-gold-can-work-together

Here is the outline if you don't have time. https://truthxchange.com/2012/02/2996/

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