Good riddance. Maybe im waking up to the political climate we live in

Wait if im woke ill go broke....... fuck

Alexa play pewdiepies latest video

In Berkeley they literally scout junior high schools for candidates for the left-wing indoctrination track. Get them into lefty volunteer organizations, give them scholarships, set them up with mentors in UCLA, and either put them on an education degree track or a law degree track.

From their teenage years to being given a position in a faculty or a law firm.

There's absolutely no way there could possibly be a coup by right-wingers.

The batshit intersectional social justice nonsense is not some trick or ploy by the right. It's part of the overall strategy of the far left.

They need some group to replace the downtrodden industrial proletariat, so they're manufacturing one.

Sleeper agents :^)

The manchurian lefty

Just wanna spew some mumblings into the ether for consideration. If we take the stance of "It is better that ten innocent men suffer than one guilty man escape" can't we then propagate that where most law enforcement happens for everyday people?

The police. Would it be right for the cops to apprehend you for a traffic violation? Would it be right for cops to shoot first and ask questions later? Afterall, better ten jailed/dead criminals than one innocent free/alive.

Was just thinking of this because of Tim's video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbOCFZWXvX0

Ten criminals jailed sounds good until you extrapolate what that kind of system would look like in built on that foundation. Most people in society are innocent, just folk trying to get by and enjoy their life the best they can.

I'll take this one up, @Ashers

Are you in the States?

Nope~

Mm, so there might be a disconnect in describing our justice system.

Hmm? Wait, what did you get from my ramblings? o.O

I'm of the mind of **Innocent until proven Guilty**

I was just trying entertain the opposite and just ramble about how that'd look when extralopated further beyond the "it's just 1 dude vs 10 actual criminals"

Well, Innocent until proven Guilty is one thing in our legal system, in a way.

Our legal system isn't designed to prove 'innocence' though, as the closest thing we get in a court hearing is 'Not Guilty'.

Another feature we have is that we have something of a funnel for the justice system leading to a verdict at the end.

Three are three tiers of criteria we require at different points

~~Reasonable Suspicion~~ Probable Cause > Preponderance of Evidence > Beyond a reasonable doubt

~~'Reasonable suspicion'~~ Probable Cause is the point at which a police officer is permitted to detain and search.

And you'll have to pardon me, the term is Probable Cause.

So, at the point that probable cause is considered, a person may be detained. Witnessing of a traffic violation equates to probable cause for the citation. The standard's a little lower for those sorts of petty msidemeanors.

I suppose if you're taking examples from the media, it's possible to assume matters operate on a 'shoot first, ask questions later' premise, but that's simply not the case.

I guess I'd ask, @Ashers , what exactly was the question you had? It may have gotten lost in the noise a bit... People don't just skip to 'Guilty' because they're apprehended.

err, I misread that, maybe.

heh. People don't usually say ``"It is better that ten innocent men suffer than one guilty man escape"``. I parsed it weird.

If you look at Tim's video there was a few that would condemn an innocent because if they released them then ten rapist would be free as well. So my tangent was me just trying to think of what that kind of justice system would look like if one was built upon such a stance.

And my question about cops was just me framing it within that justice system

@Ashers This mindset is all around you, though. Consider people who would willingly condemn an entire religion based on the actions of some, or condemn an entire race based on criminal statistics. People who condemn the rich based on inequality. The Salem Witch Trials are a good example of it. It's far more visible if you know what you're looking for, and it's invariably authoritarian.

Everyone needs to go check the curriculum, textbooks and course offerings of their local schools now.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/30/professor-worked-common-core-tests-math-needs-downplay-objects-truth-knowledge/

Highlights:
"Gutierrez is an education professor who also teaches in Urbana-Champaign’s “Latino studies” program, of course. Her CV says she helped write federally funded Common Core math tests and has been on a host of taxpayer-funded committees, including several of the National Science Foundation"

"She’s helped decide which education professors to grant tenure at more than a dozen public universities, and been given visiting lecture position at Vanderbilt University, which is reputed to have one of the most pre-eminent teaching degree programs."

"In it, she details how “Alt-Right” institutions such as Fox News and Campus Reform publicized and simplified some of her previous “scholarship” that made, she says, “two key points: (a) mathematics operates as whiteness when we do not acknowledge the contributions of all cultures, and (b) mathematics operates as whiteness when it is used as a standard by which we judge others.” "

"Gutierrez goes on to positively cite instances going back to the 1960s of taxpayer-paid teachers in public institutions using their public positions to deliberately and deceptively disregard the will of the people as expressed through their elected representatives and civic institutions. She presents as examples of “revolution” Mexican-American studies teachers continuing to teach these Marxist, anti-American classes in public schools after state legislators banned the course."

**"That’s not even all. Gutierrez then goes on to say that mathematics has already turned in the direction of being willing to subordinate the field to political concerns.

>Many of the mathematicians I know did not shy away from the ‘politics’ [sic] or ask me not to use words like White supremacy when naming the relationship between mathematics and power. I saw a different relationship between mathematicians and mathematics education researchers than what happened over a decade ago to Jo Boaler (Boaler, 2012), whose main opposition came from mathematicians.
"**

"Rochelle Gutierrez and her “allies” get that education is not just political, but existential. The Right needs to get this too. And fast."

@Dusty Morgan The point about banning the course causing it to gain traction is worth a particular read. It's how *not* to go about removing social justice from the curriculum.

Mathematicians are political because they asked me to not call mathematics, a whole field of STEM, white supremacist....
>An actual professor

fucking what

science and medicine is white supremacy.

Decolonize science and math

I've considered use of the Alt-Right epithet to be intentional and calculated, but I think I may have found another explanation as to why it's used

I think it's less emphasis on what Alt-right means, and more emphasis that Alt-Right is the Alternative to what they, themselves believe.

I think it might be some massive conflation of terms by people who really don't care to know, because they're 'Other'.

'they're' being the people they label as Alt-right.

So, since the Alt-Right by their definition is the Alternative to their viewpoint, and the actual Alt-Right are ethnic nationalists, Their defined Alternative are all Nazis.

Actually, it's far simpler. It was becoming a popular term for the anti-establishment right-leaning younger generation. A number of people who we probably wouldn't consider alt-right (like Milo Yiannopolis) openly embraced the term. They didn't want to be associated with the right wing of the 80s (which is the core of the Republican party and what people think of when they say the "right" in the US) but they didn't see themselves as being on the left. While in their little bubble they got to define what it meant among themselves and that worked for them (I doubt Milo considered the ethnic nationalists to be a core group of the alt-right when he was using the term and likely only had small mentions of them at his peak)

After Charlottesville, it became easy to destroy the whole movement by labeling everyone who used the term as a member of the Neo-Nazi's or KKK as they were the most vocal. So they did and everyone joined in. The mainstream right doesn't want to get into that fight. The Milo Alt-right fled the term as they wanted nothing to do with the Nazi's and KKK'ers and saw what was happening and started looking for other terms (which seem to have never caught on). The left wasn't going to let a challenge to Social Justice go unattacked. Plus, the left controls basically all the information organs so they didn't get any meaningful resistance.

In communist-speak it's the capitalist class destroying the organization of the people by tying it to a vocal extreme. A tried and true tactic of both radicals and non-radicals alike.

I should say I was never a part of any of these movements and only heard about this stuff secondhand after Charlottesville. But this seems to be the most favorable reading to the Milo Yiannopolises of the world.

Alright I got a debate question for yall

One of my friends lives in Utah and he recently messaged a political cause he doesnt agree with

Sent them two different messages as you can see here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225360563121684480/485520462361657383/Screenshot_20180901-124436_Messenger.jpg

he insists that they're both effective at different things

Is one message more persuasive to you than the other? Why or why not?

If your trying to be persuasive, you want to seem like your on their side. You don't disagree with them as people, you disagree with how they go around doing it.

No one changes their mind when you call them an "awful, disgusting, ingenuous human piece of garbage"

Well, a few things first off:, 'Ingenuous' means innocent and well-meaning.

"If you think there is a God" <:tiptip:462282246695419934>

'you might want to pray because I will sabotage this page' talk about bringing it from a 10 to a 2

Those messages both come across as absolutely rambling.

Vague threats, and impotent rage.

Are the two messages you're talking about the long ass one AND the following message or are both of them part of the same message?

@Blackhawk342

Both of them are separate messages

Im calling right now, harassment gonna get to the point where we make fun of people who do something stupid when theyre kids, like shitting their pants in a 4th grade field trip

I hold the humble, considered position that your friend is a moron.

soon boys wetting the bed will be toxic masculinity, re-enforcing the patriarchy by forcing their mothers to clean up after them.

While I was reading the message in the screenshot I kept getting this stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IASfzAP5Xbc

Everything is a pendulum, if you push too far in one direction, it will come back to bite you in the ass big time.
At the moment, the Feminists are still strong. Wanne bett that that might become an offense in the next 50 years?

When the pendulum swings back and women will loose some kind of rights in some areas. For example Voting Rights or the right to hold a public office.

Its unlikely that the swing back will result in them losing actual rights

it will see a heavy curbing of their unnamed natural privileges that they enjoy

Divorce court favoritism, exemption from the draft and maternity leave will probably be up for debate

Do you guys think that politicians make their arguments more because they believe what they're doing is genuinely best for their countries, on principle, or for the special interests of their shareholders/themselves and personal beliefs?

Depends on the politician. Shareholders/themselves probably win most. There are some who actually care about the future of their country and want to change it.

They are few and far between. And rarely last long or get anywhere

@Blackhawk342 I disagree as Women in Politics are what caused the Migrant Crisis in Europe.
And Women voting caused the worst President in the History of an english speaking country....

That's why we get people who want programs that work for 20 years but bankrupt the system @Grenade123

@Vigil, @Grenade123 Having met some guys who go into politics, I think the majority really believe some fraction of what they say. They'll have a couple personal points they care about and then the rest will get filled in by what they think they'll need to say to get support (and that plays more to the base, the party and the donors than anything). If you sit down with them on a personal level and push their opinions around a bit you can start to realize which issues an individual politician cares about most and which one's their secretly flexible on.

The argument that the "politicians are in the basket of the moneyed class" is overplayed. The moneyed class tends to seek out politicians who already align with them. Money adjusts the congressional schedule more than the position of individual politicians.

The politicians do tend to adopt attitudes more inline with the intellectual and business elite, but that's because they usually come from those circles or have extensive training in something like Law (where you'll be put through the University indoctrination ringer). As for why there's not more janitors running for congress, I think you need to have some degree of name recognition with a lot of people and be able to talk among people in the media (especially the media) and donor classes to get the initial push. The Democrats in particular have been trying to get around this constraint but you can see what happens when the media decides a person is too 'folksy' (see: Sarah Palin).

That's some really interesting insight, thank you

Hi

Hola

Time for debate of the morning

Are traps gay?

And survey says

No

depends on who you trap

Traps are gay yes. They're men trying to be sexually appealing to other men. Liking traps however is the straightest option.

what if they trap a lesbian? 🤔

or one of them fem to man trannies,

So that its secretly a "straight" encounter

Traps aren't gay. I don't class Winona Ryder as a shop lifter she just liked the thrill of doing it. Traps aren't gay they just like what they can do. Fite me.

A trap is gay, someone perusing a trap isn't. It's confusing, but a friend explained it to me like this; someone who is into traps is concentrating on secondary sexual characteristics rather than primary

also they have hot dicks

Thats gay af m8

Would you call a man that is sexually attracted to masculine woman gay then?

Well, that's different

Masculine woman, or woman emulating a man

masculine

That's not gay, no

A woman with masculine features. Then how is a bloke going after a bloke coz he looks like a girl not gay?

If the woman was masculine and intentionally made herself indistinguishable from a man without stripping her down, then yeah, because the individual would be attracted to the manliness and not the womanliness

"woman with masculine features" is too vague