@Vigil, @Grenade123 Having met some guys who go into politics, I think the majority really believe some fraction of what they say. They'll have a couple personal points they care about and then the rest will get filled in by what they think they'll need to say to get support (and that plays more to the base, the party and the donors than anything). If you sit down with them on a personal level and push their opinions around a bit you can start to realize which issues an individual politician cares about most and which one's their secretly flexible on.

The argument that the "politicians are in the basket of the moneyed class" is overplayed. The moneyed class tends to seek out politicians who already align with them. Money adjusts the congressional schedule more than the position of individual politicians.

The politicians do tend to adopt attitudes more inline with the intellectual and business elite, but that's because they usually come from those circles or have extensive training in something like Law (where you'll be put through the University indoctrination ringer). As for why there's not more janitors running for congress, I think you need to have some degree of name recognition with a lot of people and be able to talk among people in the media (especially the media) and donor classes to get the initial push. The Democrats in particular have been trying to get around this constraint but you can see what happens when the media decides a person is too 'folksy' (see: Sarah Palin).

That's some really interesting insight, thank you

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Time for debate of the morning

Are traps gay?

And survey says

No

depends on who you trap

Traps are gay yes. They're men trying to be sexually appealing to other men. Liking traps however is the straightest option.

what if they trap a lesbian? 🤔

or one of them fem to man trannies,

So that its secretly a "straight" encounter

Traps aren't gay. I don't class Winona Ryder as a shop lifter she just liked the thrill of doing it. Traps aren't gay they just like what they can do. Fite me.

A trap is gay, someone perusing a trap isn't. It's confusing, but a friend explained it to me like this; someone who is into traps is concentrating on secondary sexual characteristics rather than primary

also they have hot dicks

Thats gay af m8

Would you call a man that is sexually attracted to masculine woman gay then?

Well, that's different

Masculine woman, or woman emulating a man

masculine

That's not gay, no

A woman with masculine features. Then how is a bloke going after a bloke coz he looks like a girl not gay?

If the woman was masculine and intentionally made herself indistinguishable from a man without stripping her down, then yeah, because the individual would be attracted to the manliness and not the womanliness

"woman with masculine features" is too vague

We could be talking about slightly too square chin, or short hair no breasts male-fitted jeans, yknow

I worked with a bloke that had a job in Thailand. He got himself a prozzie, took her back and started fucking her up the arse, when he went to give her the reach arond he grabbed a pair of balls. He carried on fucking 'her'. Is he gay?

Was he looking for balls? Did he mind the balls?

It's gay in the sense that it's two biological dudes banging but the lines get blurred because of one party's specific portrayal as female

the actual point of "is someone gay" is with the intent

Otherwise getting raped by a man makes YOU gay

Yeah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaG5SAw1n0c

He didn't go looking for a bloke but didn't stop when he found out it was. Gay or not gay?

Bisexual

no, he's not attracted to men.

he's clearly gay

I mean, if he's not attracted to men he's straight

after he found out, it became intent, so he's clearly got the gay

In this day and age (especially in Thailand) if you don’t check beforehand you’re gonna have a bad time.

if you gotta go to thailand to effectively rape a slave

You kinda deserve it

That too.

I never understood why so many people want to go there tbh.