Alright I got a debate question for yall

One of my friends lives in Utah and he recently messaged a political cause he doesnt agree with

Sent them two different messages as you can see here
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/225360563121684480/485520462361657383/Screenshot_20180901-124436_Messenger.jpg

he insists that they're both effective at different things

Is one message more persuasive to you than the other? Why or why not?

If your trying to be persuasive, you want to seem like your on their side. You don't disagree with them as people, you disagree with how they go around doing it.

No one changes their mind when you call them an "awful, disgusting, ingenuous human piece of garbage"

Well, a few things first off:, 'Ingenuous' means innocent and well-meaning.

"If you think there is a God" <:tiptip:462282246695419934>

'you might want to pray because I will sabotage this page' talk about bringing it from a 10 to a 2

Those messages both come across as absolutely rambling.

Vague threats, and impotent rage.

Are the two messages you're talking about the long ass one AND the following message or are both of them part of the same message?

@Blackhawk342

Both of them are separate messages

Im calling right now, harassment gonna get to the point where we make fun of people who do something stupid when theyre kids, like shitting their pants in a 4th grade field trip

I hold the humble, considered position that your friend is a moron.

soon boys wetting the bed will be toxic masculinity, re-enforcing the patriarchy by forcing their mothers to clean up after them.

While I was reading the message in the screenshot I kept getting this stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IASfzAP5Xbc

Everything is a pendulum, if you push too far in one direction, it will come back to bite you in the ass big time.
At the moment, the Feminists are still strong. Wanne bett that that might become an offense in the next 50 years?

When the pendulum swings back and women will loose some kind of rights in some areas. For example Voting Rights or the right to hold a public office.

Its unlikely that the swing back will result in them losing actual rights

it will see a heavy curbing of their unnamed natural privileges that they enjoy

Divorce court favoritism, exemption from the draft and maternity leave will probably be up for debate

Do you guys think that politicians make their arguments more because they believe what they're doing is genuinely best for their countries, on principle, or for the special interests of their shareholders/themselves and personal beliefs?

Depends on the politician. Shareholders/themselves probably win most. There are some who actually care about the future of their country and want to change it.

They are few and far between. And rarely last long or get anywhere

@Blackhawk342 I disagree as Women in Politics are what caused the Migrant Crisis in Europe.
And Women voting caused the worst President in the History of an english speaking country....

That's why we get people who want programs that work for 20 years but bankrupt the system @Grenade123

@Vigil, @Grenade123 Having met some guys who go into politics, I think the majority really believe some fraction of what they say. They'll have a couple personal points they care about and then the rest will get filled in by what they think they'll need to say to get support (and that plays more to the base, the party and the donors than anything). If you sit down with them on a personal level and push their opinions around a bit you can start to realize which issues an individual politician cares about most and which one's their secretly flexible on.

The argument that the "politicians are in the basket of the moneyed class" is overplayed. The moneyed class tends to seek out politicians who already align with them. Money adjusts the congressional schedule more than the position of individual politicians.

The politicians do tend to adopt attitudes more inline with the intellectual and business elite, but that's because they usually come from those circles or have extensive training in something like Law (where you'll be put through the University indoctrination ringer). As for why there's not more janitors running for congress, I think you need to have some degree of name recognition with a lot of people and be able to talk among people in the media (especially the media) and donor classes to get the initial push. The Democrats in particular have been trying to get around this constraint but you can see what happens when the media decides a person is too 'folksy' (see: Sarah Palin).

That's some really interesting insight, thank you

Hi

Hola

Time for debate of the morning

Are traps gay?

And survey says

No

depends on who you trap

Traps are gay yes. They're men trying to be sexually appealing to other men. Liking traps however is the straightest option.

what if they trap a lesbian? 🤔

or one of them fem to man trannies,

So that its secretly a "straight" encounter