Message from @Ashers

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2018-08-30 20:02:43 UTC  

Has it though? Ive never been cool with muslims and i was always a leftist

2018-08-30 20:03:16 UTC  

Yes. I went to university in the early 2000s and it was happening then.

2018-08-30 20:03:40 UTC  

"Islamiphobia" has been part of the discussion since the Bush years, yeah

2018-08-30 20:04:05 UTC  

I hate christians as much muslims though lol

2018-08-30 20:04:11 UTC  

It has just gotten steadily worse over time as 1970s far leftists moved up the hierarchy in universities and trained their replacements to be even further left than they are.

2018-08-30 20:04:29 UTC  

Then theyre just doomed to fail.

2018-08-30 20:04:30 UTC  

Now it's almost assembly line.

2018-08-30 20:05:02 UTC  

Good riddance. Maybe im waking up to the political climate we live in

2018-08-30 20:05:23 UTC  

Wait if im woke ill go broke....... fuck

2018-08-30 20:05:44 UTC  

Alexa play pewdiepies latest video

2018-08-30 20:05:57 UTC  

In Berkeley they literally scout junior high schools for candidates for the left-wing indoctrination track. Get them into lefty volunteer organizations, give them scholarships, set them up with mentors in UCLA, and either put them on an education degree track or a law degree track.

2018-08-30 20:06:57 UTC  

From their teenage years to being given a position in a faculty or a law firm.

2018-08-30 20:07:47 UTC  

There's absolutely no way there could possibly be a coup by right-wingers.

2018-08-30 20:08:34 UTC  

The batshit intersectional social justice nonsense is not some trick or ploy by the right. It's part of the overall strategy of the far left.

2018-08-30 20:09:23 UTC  

They need some group to replace the downtrodden industrial proletariat, so they're manufacturing one.

2018-08-30 20:10:51 UTC  

Sleeper agents :^)

2018-08-30 20:11:01 UTC  

The manchurian lefty

2018-09-01 00:50:18 UTC  

Just wanna spew some mumblings into the ether for consideration. If we take the stance of "It is better that ten innocent men suffer than one guilty man escape" can't we then propagate that where most law enforcement happens for everyday people?

The police. Would it be right for the cops to apprehend you for a traffic violation? Would it be right for cops to shoot first and ask questions later? Afterall, better ten jailed/dead criminals than one innocent free/alive.

Was just thinking of this because of Tim's video; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbOCFZWXvX0

Ten criminals jailed sounds good until you extrapolate what that kind of system would look like in built on that foundation. Most people in society are innocent, just folk trying to get by and enjoy their life the best they can.

2018-09-01 00:51:57 UTC  

I'll take this one up, @Ashers

2018-09-01 00:52:07 UTC  

Are you in the States?

2018-09-01 00:52:15 UTC  

Nope~

2018-09-01 00:52:34 UTC  

Mm, so there might be a disconnect in describing our justice system.

2018-09-01 00:53:07 UTC  

Hmm? Wait, what did you get from my ramblings? o.O

2018-09-01 00:53:28 UTC  

I'm of the mind of **Innocent until proven Guilty**

2018-09-01 00:54:13 UTC  

I was just trying entertain the opposite and just ramble about how that'd look when extralopated further beyond the "it's just 1 dude vs 10 actual criminals"

2018-09-01 00:54:47 UTC  

Well, Innocent until proven Guilty is one thing in our legal system, in a way.

2018-09-01 00:55:17 UTC  

Our legal system isn't designed to prove 'innocence' though, as the closest thing we get in a court hearing is 'Not Guilty'.

2018-09-01 00:56:08 UTC  

Another feature we have is that we have something of a funnel for the justice system leading to a verdict at the end.

2018-09-01 00:56:32 UTC  

Three are three tiers of criteria we require at different points

2018-09-01 00:57:15 UTC  

~~Reasonable Suspicion~~ Probable Cause > Preponderance of Evidence > Beyond a reasonable doubt

2018-09-01 00:58:58 UTC  

~~'Reasonable suspicion'~~ Probable Cause is the point at which a police officer is permitted to detain and search.

2018-09-01 00:59:20 UTC  

And you'll have to pardon me, the term is Probable Cause.

2018-09-01 01:01:17 UTC  

So, at the point that probable cause is considered, a person may be detained. Witnessing of a traffic violation equates to probable cause for the citation. The standard's a little lower for those sorts of petty msidemeanors.

2018-09-01 01:02:57 UTC  

I suppose if you're taking examples from the media, it's possible to assume matters operate on a 'shoot first, ask questions later' premise, but that's simply not the case.

2018-09-01 01:06:15 UTC  

I guess I'd ask, @Ashers , what exactly was the question you had? It may have gotten lost in the noise a bit... People don't just skip to 'Guilty' because they're apprehended.

2018-09-01 01:06:42 UTC  

err, I misread that, maybe.

2018-09-01 01:07:49 UTC  

heh. People don't usually say ``"It is better that ten innocent men suffer than one guilty man escape"``. I parsed it weird.

2018-09-01 01:43:57 UTC  

If you look at Tim's video there was a few that would condemn an innocent because if they released them then ten rapist would be free as well. So my tangent was me just trying to think of what that kind of justice system would look like if one was built upon such a stance.

2018-09-01 01:45:56 UTC  

And my question about cops was just me framing it within that justice system

2018-09-01 01:58:39 UTC  

@Ashers This mindset is all around you, though. Consider people who would willingly condemn an entire religion based on the actions of some, or condemn an entire race based on criminal statistics. People who condemn the rich based on inequality. The Salem Witch Trials are a good example of it. It's far more visible if you know what you're looking for, and it's invariably authoritarian.

2018-09-01 06:58:07 UTC  

Everyone needs to go check the curriculum, textbooks and course offerings of their local schools now.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/30/professor-worked-common-core-tests-math-needs-downplay-objects-truth-knowledge/

Highlights:
"Gutierrez is an education professor who also teaches in Urbana-Champaign’s “Latino studies” program, of course. Her CV says she helped write federally funded Common Core math tests and has been on a host of taxpayer-funded committees, including several of the National Science Foundation"

"She’s helped decide which education professors to grant tenure at more than a dozen public universities, and been given visiting lecture position at Vanderbilt University, which is reputed to have one of the most pre-eminent teaching degree programs."