Message from @Infidelcastro

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2018-09-01 06:58:07 UTC  

Everyone needs to go check the curriculum, textbooks and course offerings of their local schools now.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/08/30/professor-worked-common-core-tests-math-needs-downplay-objects-truth-knowledge/

Highlights:
"Gutierrez is an education professor who also teaches in Urbana-Champaign’s “Latino studies” program, of course. Her CV says she helped write federally funded Common Core math tests and has been on a host of taxpayer-funded committees, including several of the National Science Foundation"

"She’s helped decide which education professors to grant tenure at more than a dozen public universities, and been given visiting lecture position at Vanderbilt University, which is reputed to have one of the most pre-eminent teaching degree programs."

2018-09-01 06:58:20 UTC  

"In it, she details how “Alt-Right” institutions such as Fox News and Campus Reform publicized and simplified some of her previous “scholarship” that made, she says, “two key points: (a) mathematics operates as whiteness when we do not acknowledge the contributions of all cultures, and (b) mathematics operates as whiteness when it is used as a standard by which we judge others.” "

"Gutierrez goes on to positively cite instances going back to the 1960s of taxpayer-paid teachers in public institutions using their public positions to deliberately and deceptively disregard the will of the people as expressed through their elected representatives and civic institutions. She presents as examples of “revolution” Mexican-American studies teachers continuing to teach these Marxist, anti-American classes in public schools after state legislators banned the course."

**"That’s not even all. Gutierrez then goes on to say that mathematics has already turned in the direction of being willing to subordinate the field to political concerns.

>Many of the mathematicians I know did not shy away from the ‘politics’ [sic] or ask me not to use words like White supremacy when naming the relationship between mathematics and power. I saw a different relationship between mathematicians and mathematics education researchers than what happened over a decade ago to Jo Boaler (Boaler, 2012), whose main opposition came from mathematicians.
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2018-09-01 06:58:33 UTC  

"Rochelle Gutierrez and her “allies” get that education is not just political, but existential. The Right needs to get this too. And fast."

2018-09-01 06:58:45 UTC  

@Dusty Morgan The point about banning the course causing it to gain traction is worth a particular read. It's how *not* to go about removing social justice from the curriculum.

2018-09-01 15:05:14 UTC  

Mathematicians are political because they asked me to not call mathematics, a whole field of STEM, white supremacist....
>An actual professor

2018-09-01 16:06:13 UTC  

fucking what

2018-09-01 16:06:32 UTC  

science and medicine is white supremacy.

2018-09-01 16:27:20 UTC  

Decolonize science and math

2018-09-01 17:44:33 UTC  

I've considered use of the Alt-Right epithet to be intentional and calculated, but I think I may have found another explanation as to why it's used

2018-09-01 17:44:56 UTC  

I think it's less emphasis on what Alt-right means, and more emphasis that Alt-Right is the Alternative to what they, themselves believe.

2018-09-01 17:45:39 UTC  

I think it might be some massive conflation of terms by people who really don't care to know, because they're 'Other'.

2018-09-01 17:46:06 UTC  

'they're' being the people they label as Alt-right.

2018-09-01 17:47:34 UTC  

So, since the Alt-Right by their definition is the Alternative to their viewpoint, and the actual Alt-Right are ethnic nationalists, Their defined Alternative are all Nazis.

2018-09-01 18:59:41 UTC  

Actually, it's far simpler. It was becoming a popular term for the anti-establishment right-leaning younger generation. A number of people who we probably wouldn't consider alt-right (like Milo Yiannopolis) openly embraced the term. They didn't want to be associated with the right wing of the 80s (which is the core of the Republican party and what people think of when they say the "right" in the US) but they didn't see themselves as being on the left. While in their little bubble they got to define what it meant among themselves and that worked for them (I doubt Milo considered the ethnic nationalists to be a core group of the alt-right when he was using the term and likely only had small mentions of them at his peak)

After Charlottesville, it became easy to destroy the whole movement by labeling everyone who used the term as a member of the Neo-Nazi's or KKK as they were the most vocal. So they did and everyone joined in. The mainstream right doesn't want to get into that fight. The Milo Alt-right fled the term as they wanted nothing to do with the Nazi's and KKK'ers and saw what was happening and started looking for other terms (which seem to have never caught on). The left wasn't going to let a challenge to Social Justice go unattacked. Plus, the left controls basically all the information organs so they didn't get any meaningful resistance.

In communist-speak it's the capitalist class destroying the organization of the people by tying it to a vocal extreme. A tried and true tactic of both radicals and non-radicals alike.

I should say I was never a part of any of these movements and only heard about this stuff secondhand after Charlottesville. But this seems to be the most favorable reading to the Milo Yiannopolises of the world.

2018-09-02 00:02:57 UTC  

Alright I got a debate question for yall

2018-09-02 00:03:38 UTC  

One of my friends lives in Utah and he recently messaged a political cause he doesnt agree with

2018-09-02 00:05:21 UTC  

he insists that they're both effective at different things

2018-09-02 00:06:01 UTC  

Is one message more persuasive to you than the other? Why or why not?

2018-09-02 00:56:43 UTC  

If your trying to be persuasive, you want to seem like your on their side. You don't disagree with them as people, you disagree with how they go around doing it.

2018-09-02 00:58:22 UTC  

No one changes their mind when you call them an "awful, disgusting, ingenuous human piece of garbage"

2018-09-02 02:41:04 UTC  

Well, a few things first off:, 'Ingenuous' means innocent and well-meaning.

2018-09-02 02:43:03 UTC  

"If you think there is a God" <:tiptip:462282246695419934>

2018-09-02 02:43:42 UTC  

'you might want to pray because I will sabotage this page' talk about bringing it from a 10 to a 2

2018-09-02 02:44:39 UTC  

Those messages both come across as absolutely rambling.

2018-09-02 02:45:07 UTC  

Vague threats, and impotent rage.

2018-09-02 02:49:05 UTC  

Are the two messages you're talking about the long ass one AND the following message or are both of them part of the same message?

2018-09-02 02:49:22 UTC  
2018-09-02 02:57:57 UTC  

Both of them are separate messages

2018-09-02 03:02:56 UTC  

Im calling right now, harassment gonna get to the point where we make fun of people who do something stupid when theyre kids, like shitting their pants in a 4th grade field trip

2018-09-02 03:04:12 UTC  

I hold the humble, considered position that your friend is a moron.

2018-09-02 03:04:49 UTC  

soon boys wetting the bed will be toxic masculinity, re-enforcing the patriarchy by forcing their mothers to clean up after them.

2018-09-02 04:02:12 UTC  

While I was reading the message in the screenshot I kept getting this stuck in my head https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IASfzAP5Xbc

2018-09-03 15:52:38 UTC  

Everything is a pendulum, if you push too far in one direction, it will come back to bite you in the ass big time.
At the moment, the Feminists are still strong. Wanne bett that that might become an offense in the next 50 years?

2018-09-03 15:53:19 UTC  

When the pendulum swings back and women will loose some kind of rights in some areas. For example Voting Rights or the right to hold a public office.

2018-09-03 16:35:11 UTC  

Its unlikely that the swing back will result in them losing actual rights

2018-09-03 16:35:37 UTC  

it will see a heavy curbing of their unnamed natural privileges that they enjoy

2018-09-03 16:36:34 UTC  

Divorce court favoritism, exemption from the draft and maternity leave will probably be up for debate

2018-09-03 16:37:45 UTC  

Do you guys think that politicians make their arguments more because they believe what they're doing is genuinely best for their countries, on principle, or for the special interests of their shareholders/themselves and personal beliefs?

2018-09-03 16:49:18 UTC  

Depends on the politician. Shareholders/themselves probably win most. There are some who actually care about the future of their country and want to change it.

2018-09-03 16:49:32 UTC  

They are few and far between. And rarely last long or get anywhere