the cycle is getting shorter and shorter (especially for the left)

and more extreme

THE CYCLE

the liberalists

Menstrual?

Pendulum of memes

well what will happen is it will culminate into 2 big groups, the biggest wanting to remain big so they work on containing the smaller group

which will cause people to split off to join the other group

and then they are in charge and remember the bad containing so they decide to break it free again so everyone can have their say

just like conservative right 50 years ago turning to the bigger left now, and slowly people see its bad and they want freedom again (like voting Trump etc)

it will sort itself out in due time

memes are just a catalyst

shows how stupid authority figures are for getting upset over them, weakening their status towards the internet folk

but bed time for me, it was fun discussing and arguing, disagreeing and agreeing, we should do it again sometime

cheerios

memes are a catalyst for our political direction, culture clashes, etc

thats pretty amazing and fucking scary all at once

So, you're saying that memes move politics? <:Kappa:327142715592540171>

memes condense an entire idea into a quickly consumable artifact

simply a modern extension of "a picture is worth a thousand words"

Yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoHhfTgWV9Y

tim just went live a few secs ago

http://www.newsweek.com/parents-are-making-their-children-drink-bleach-cure-them-autism-793197

WHAT THE FUCK

I guess they consider dying a cure for autism?

Which is sad considering autism isn’t a disease, you can’t cure it.

We can't cure it with the tech available to us right now, but we might be able to in the future.

I think it will eventually be treatable.

There’s nothing to cure though. Autism isn’t a sickness, it’s a disorder that effects state of mind.

As someone that has autism: no, fuck you. It absolutely is a disease (disorder is a subset there of) and there absolutely is something to cure.

Sure in the future you might be able to temporarily readjust their state of mind, but the default will always be the same

It is a neurological development disorder.

It's a mental condition just like any other.

And eventually treatable, maybe even cured.

Considering no mental condition in existence has ever been cured

From what I understand about autism, it would be something that probably has to be treated in utero

We do not know what the future might bring.

Treatable sure, but there’s a major difference between take this drug once and you’re good to go vs take this medication once a day every day

Of course.

Assuming that we'll never develop some form of medical tech capable of doing things we can't even imagine now is absurd.

holy heck hes live

Go explain an MRI to a doctor in the US civil war.

I sincerely doubt medicine will ever evolve to the point where humans have learned how to rewire a human brain

We're getting close to being able to stop Alzheimer's from spreading

It's not rewiring a brain, but it's the closest we've gotten to date

because the trials required to do so will almost assuredly be considered torture

being a furry is a mental illness

#facts

@ping I think the human condition is a mental illness

And unless we get the second coming of Nazi doctors who don’t give a shit about their patients o don’t see us ever getting there

then there is no point in classifing things as a mental illness

I thought the brain rewires the brain

nothing rewires anything

weights just change

I don't think we have to go straight to 'Nazi doctors' in order to advance medical science.

Oh wait, sorry, forgot, that's not real science. <:Kappa:327142715592540171>

How else would you propose doctors experiment on live human brains in order to change the way they perceive the world in a way that wouldn’t be considered torture?

Experiment on non human brains first

Volunteers second

@Deller If we ever get to the point where we can keep a brain alive in a jar, I'm sure somebody will donate their brain for science

It's easy to say 'we'll never', until someone does.

Except you can’t torture volunteers? You can thank shit like the Stanford Prison Experiments for that

Even if we can keep a brain alive in a jar, how do we know how that brain currently perceives the world? Hell, how would it even perceive the world?

There is a reason there is a series of animal trials and other rules before moving onto humans. The idea being to work out the kinks on animals before human trails, decreasing the chance it will end poorly

There are significant and extensive clinical trial research protocols for any medication, what the fuck makes you think those will not be developed for medication that is actively able to modify neurological connections? This reeks of scaremongering, anti-scientific, Luddism.

I’m fairly certain it takes more than medication to rewire the way a human brain perceives the world

Because just taking medication is going to be more treatment, less cure

And they will probably be much more different than surgery.

They would be something that probably entirely new

Although could still come in pill form

Eh, I wouldn't go that far, but you brought up a good example earlier with the MRI machine. Yeah, it's hard to imagine us doing a lot about mental conditions right now, today, without our current level of understanding and technology, but to say that 'we will never reach that point' is just cynnical. Again, try explaining what an MRI even is to a victorian-era physician, much less how it actually works.

All cures for anything we have today were once believed to be impossible.

And the methods of discovering many cures are largely considered barbaric by today’s standards & would never fly in the scientific community today

A lot of our knowledge of the brain came as a result of lobotomies. Great for research, less great for the patients.

We are developing ways to grow organs without a host. Ever increasing computation power allow for ever better simulation and design work. While it might be true these rules and ideas slow research, it does not stop it

For your example, rather than lobotomizing people, we need to wait for natural brain damage. Well, if too call crashing a car going 100 as natural that is

That's besides the point that there is always types who will chase after rather unethical science.

But at what point do governments step in & start extending these grown test subjects human rights? Hell Sophia the robot AI was just given Saudi Arabian citizenship.

Then we have lost the culture war and a the only future advancement for humanity is to nuke all the world.

When science is made illegal, then humans are no longer allowed to think

If I’ve learned anything it’s the fact that the American government shits all over science every chance it gets

More reason to fight for smaller government

That I agree with

With luck smart people will get us to mars and we can leave the US behind and just offer people free trips to mars as compensation for being a test subject.

#lifegoals

Hopefully once we start colonizing other planets we tell the governments of Earth to fuck off, but I’d be willing to bet even on Mars we’ll have shit like Martian America or Martian Russia

I mean, eventually

But at least there is a chance of getting enough people at the beginning to tell the Earth governments to fuck off

No matter where we go, no matter where we colonize in the galaxy, we are always going to have countries like Russia and America, and even North Korea

the extremely free all the way down to the extremely controlled. no matter how far we advance in tech, medicine, anything really, opinion will always be different when it comes to each individual person.

The world will chance, human nature will not. At least, not significantly. I do not believe we have changed much since the times of the romans.

I agree lol, we have changed a lot, I was talking just opinion in general, because even back then, opinions on a lot were different too.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3985969/jessica-simpson-lawsuit-paparazzi-photo/

http://deadstate.org/satanic-temple-argues-that-missouris-extreme-abortion-laws-violate-their-religious-freedomfbrefreshforce/

https://www.rt.com/usa/417300-mccabe-resigns-fbi-deputy/

so long and thanks for all the warrants

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SHOULD WE HAVE AN INTERNET BILL OF RIGHTS? - Tim Pool

Play freebird

Shouldnt the amendments already apply to it?

if you're operating your own radio

and following the FCC regs