Sounds good

Psychology is medicine

Medicine is statistics, not a science

not shitposting

XD

@Vesdii to be honest general is pretty mild

Medicine you can never guarantee the outcome, you can only assume that statistically you get a desired outcome

So.just five people a prescription drug and shove em.out the door

medicine is a science lmao, science is only about predictability

anything else is BS

It's like giving people mainainance

Well that's part of the testing process sadly

Its not a cure all

You can not with absolute certaintly predict medicine Cytos

medicine works 80% of the time? thats pretictable

You try collections of chemicals until one works

Is it permanant?

Sometimes it just makes things worse

can add a couple of factors to make the prediction more or less likely? good science

thats statistics

Because while we understand a lot more about the brain it's still a very complex organ

you dont need an absolute solution for it to be science

If i repeat the same testing of a medicine 10,000 times all the same test i will not get 10,000 times the same outcome

It deals with a whole fuckton of functions and wires get crossed in weird ways

science produces theories of predictability

Sigh I really don't like such mechanical robotic approaches to science

This is why on medicine theres always that disclaimer of "May cause side-effects"

so if it gets 80% the same result, you can sciencefy that in 80% of the time you will get that result

thats not the scientific process though, thats statistics

Like did you know that separation between parts of the brain can "fix" epilepsy? Or that electroshock therapy is useful in cases of extreme depression?

XD sadly you need such an approach to get repeatable, if not 100%, results

Yeah the point ultimately is that we keep testing and iterating

Is this why certain circles hate rupert sheldrake so much?

XD just ask tesla

Nobody iterates on "it's magic"

Scientific process is, you make a hypothesis

And every single time i test it (bar wrongful anomalies) i will get the exact same outcome as your hypothesis prescribes

im sure he was mad depressed

and was electrocuting himself

as a treatment

That's not a treatment that's a fetish

hey if it worked

principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses

i mean fuck he lost everything and died pennyless

there is nothing in that definition about absolute predictive capacity

did not seem like he was to traumatised about it till after he stopped shocking himself daily due to losing hsi equipment

if something was only science when you can prove what will happen 100% of the time, the only thing that maybe could be science is math

MAYBE

there has to be, else I can just say "i scientificaly predict that the Earth will blow up in 10 seconds"

And when it doesn't i said "Oh well, it doesn't have to be predictable, so its still a sciencE"

i mean there is a fundamentals issue there but whatever

Also probably because "telepathy" is bunk, @Mallic

@Mallic Really, if you want to fight Nihilism, if you want to give your life a purpose, just consider family members and friends that you remember fondly that aren't here anymore. Think about the effect that they had on your life. Quit worrying over the destination, and focus on the journey. Even if the future were to not matter in the grand scheme of the universe, even if we're unimportant specks, we don't live on a Universal scale, We live on an insignificant blue spec. And everything here matters to us. Any chance we have of figuring it all out comes in pushing the human race forward. Our impact goes beyond our lives.

Now I think I'm done trying to be inspirational for the day, I've got work to do.

No, science works everywhere like this,

The whole point of science is that anyone can test it using the same parameters and limits, in the same physical universe, will get the same result,
It can be peer-reviewed

insignificant blue spec: <:VeRiFiEd:463064374236413962>

There has been, for years, a bounty on any supernatural phenomena, wherein proof of psychic powers will net you a monetary prize. Nobody has ever won

the same resultS

plural

on average

The.problem is assuming that peep aren't biased in peer reviewa

you cant just test a thing once and be done with it

gotta test it a thousand times may not be enough

you can test it as often as you like, the point is the result will be the same

imagine if one result was enough, you could make a theory of a result of a cointoss

thats teh scientifc method

Bias doesn't mean "let's believe anything" though

as soon as you make 2 results, it does not become statistics lmao

the point of the scientific method, is that a person can recreate it if they don't believe you,

And every time they do it they'll get the same result

there are tools to seperate yourself from your bias

resultS

Ok ok what i told you guys that panpsychism is becoming more and more academically credible?

even if to only make that bias apparant

so that others may recognise

plural results

You need resultS for the initial testing to confirm it

But anyone who doesn't believe you can run the same test once to see that the original hypothesis is true again

its the whole point, that anyone can recreate the test

I'd ask you for your sources

yes, but just testing it once is not going to prove or disprove anything

if medicine is only 80% accurate

1 out of every 5 tests will yield a different result

So if 50 scientists test it, 10 will have a different result (statistically)

That means that they wont get the same results 20% of the time

and testing things 2 or more times does not make it any less of a science

you can test it to confirm it

thats the whole point of it

If you don't believe it, you can retest it

a billion trilliong gazillion times

Idk if Thomas nagal.is any indication there are plenty who don't want anything other then nautealism to be true

but if the hypothesis is accurate it will yield the same results

only restesting when you dont get the results you want is bad form

in the cointoss experiment you can believe you will get heads, get heads once and not restest

So you're saying we have to test gravity every time we wake up?

im saying we test gravity a bunch of times in different scenarios every day

its predictable how it will behave

aka its science

A scientific theory gets accepted if many MANY people tested it and all got the same conclusion, meaning it has been tested thousands of times


Yet if you DON'T believe it, you can feel free to test it as many times as you want

and if you go into outer space and shit does not always fall the way you expect, then you make a new theory

but it still needs to be predictable

test it once, test it hundreds of times, its gonna be the same

so when you wake up in space you know what might happen

on average

no, thats a conclusion we draw based on tests we confirmed scientifically

@Mallic you mean the philosopher? That doesn't sound like much in the way of evidence to me

Simplified:
If i drop a bottle on earth, i confirm the test of gravity,

Knowing how gravity works, i can ASSUME that if i drop a brick on earth, it will apply the same effect,

If it doesn't, and i drop the brick and it flies off, it proves my hypothesis was wrong

what did you say about medicine again? that it was not science?

its statistics, because i can't predict its endings with certainty

if that is your standard, which you can believe it to be