Yeah, the soy argument for whatever reason can get pretty heated.

It is not de wae

We had a new IE member flip out in here a while back -- he told someone who was arguing that soy wasn't that bad that he was a Jewish shill and should get killed by antifa.

Needless to say, we let him go.

Lol

what do you guys think of the ECA stack?

Are primatene tablets a good way to get ephedrine for pre-workout?

It works but the A is now considered unnecessary

Bronkaid is the common go to for ephedrine

Can be bought behind the counter at Walgreens.

Just be careful because it can get your heart rate really high if you do HIIT or any high intensity cardio

want to do it in combo with intermittent fasting

i don't do HIIT

That's the best way to do it I think

And definitely don't do MMA while on it

What's the pro/cons of that vs a traditional pre workout powder like no explode or c4? I'm trying to start working out before work but it's hard for me to get going

ECA is primarily used for fat loss

It's not really a pre workout but it will definitely give you energy

Ya I knew it gave you energy. I thought the fat loss just came from working out with the energy it gave you. I am definitely not wanting to lose any weight so I better stay away. I guess I'll try a good pre workout. I've used a couple different ones in the past being the two I previously listed.

Fat loss occurs on ECA by increasing your resting heart rate. Studies show it helps decrease bodyfat while retaining significant amounts of muscle mass

I'd just go for a preworkout... my favourite is nitraflex from GAT or Bang

Ok thanks man I'll check them out.

I'm never going vegan ahaha stay mad soyboys check 'em ☝🏻☝🏻️☝🏻️ (I'm only being slightly ironic)

@JesseJames i workout before work and NOxplode is essential

cant get up without it

It's like crack

ECA is pretty over rated, but I might just have a degenerately high tolerance to stims.

The first few weeks of taking it it will definitely supress your appetite though so that's a bonus if you're cutting.

Make sure you are still getting enough protein though.

@Zyzz ya I've used noxplode before as well. It seemed to do great. It's a different ball game going in the gym before work though lol. I'm not a morning person.

@JesseJames first thing i do when i wake up is take it. in literally a minute or two i start to feel it wake me up. i am not really a morning person either but the powder helps gets me going better than any cup of coffee i have ever had

Good to know. Where is the best place to buy it? I think I had gotten it off amazon before. You don't know any big box stores that may carry it do ya?

i am sure your local GNC or vitamin shop would

i buy mine off amazon

I'll try gnc.

I don't know if I've ever felt as good as I have this past week and the only thing I've done differently is get my 5 servings of cruciferous greens in a blender every day for the last two weeks

Cannot recommend this highly enough atm

So I hear

You wanna know

Bout some supplements

Whelp ya boy works at GNC