eh, I guess I can see that

Putting yourself in situations where someone you love is sleeping right next to you = premarital sex

Which is avoidable

I don't know, man, if I'm living with a girl, I'm not going to pull the fifties married couple different bed shit

that was only in movies

if youre married, I think youre allowed to

I know. I was just pointing out an example

Ignoring the religious aspect, this article points out some detrimental statistics concerning cohabitation. https://www.google.com/amp/s/mylordandmyblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/seven-reasons-why-living-together-before-marriage-is-not-a-good-idea/amp/

ok thanks

@SamanthaM All of the things he mentions are correlations but I see no proof that living together causes those problems. People who live together do so for many reasons. Some have a more liberal attitude regarding relationships and are therefore more likely to divorce. But that doesn't mean living together causes divorce. Or any of the other problems like violence or alcohol problems.

It's not necessarily *living together.* It's *living together before marriage.* Marriage is a a responsibility, like anything else. What the results are pointing to is that people who do not take this responsibility seriously are more likely to be irresponsible in other matters.

I was also thinking that people on the lower rungs of society are more likely to cohabitate for economic reasons

so just by shear numbers of the type of people who cohabitate first can add to those numbers

if that made sense

I agree with the general perception that, if a woman lives together with a man, doesn't marry him and then tries to continue dating she is seen as sullied, in the trad worldview at least.

@SamanthaM Exactly. That's correlation, not causality. If a responsible couple decides to live together without being married for whatever reason, they won't become more likely to have negative consequences just for that reason. The same as just because irresponsible couple gets married, doesn't mean they will stop drinking or being irresponsible.

One piece of advice gentlemen. If you break up with a girl, make her a complete stranger. No contact. Delete on line photos immediately. Delete her contact information and look forward completely. In addition once you get serious with a woman, drop all female friends. Don’t ever allow yourself to be in a room alone with another woman, even at work if you can.

^^^^

What would have happened to the couples who struggled with such problems that the article mentions if they got married and then lived together?

you have to work them out because you have a preexisting bilateral commitment to do so

I wonder why the mod had to issue that announcement. Was there a problem in the chat?

@Deleted User I learned that lesson the hard way.

@Rick there was an article about "female hypergamy" posted that I removed. I made the announcement to make sure everyone is on the same page that we are here to help IE members and not to lament the status (accurately or not) of dating today.

@ThisIsChris ha. ok. I thought it be something like that.

If there is one piece of advice that I can offer my fellow goyim it is to never marry a girl for whom you have to compromise on your principles for. That will never work. Take it from someone who is redpilled and married to someone who isn't. It's rough. It's almost as bad has having different religions.

I got so incredibly lucky. I sat down with my now fiance about the JQ and race realism and all of it and she agreed with me

@Patient Zero What lesson did you learn?

To forget a girl when she ghosts you.

Never go back.

If it didn't work the first time, their is a reason for that.

I was especially vulnerable because I am far too trusting and hate being single.

It's understandable. do you think you would ever make that mistake again or have you outgrown that?

Well, I'm getting married in June, so hopefully I wont have to be in that situation again

But I think I outgrew the negative side of that for the most part.

Bros I hate to disagree but as a man being red pilled you absolutely do not have to have a woman whom is. While my wife is smart enough to see most of the bs going on in society today she doesn't involve her self with it. My wife is a total normie and that is perfectly fine. She is concerned with our kids and our house. She has no reason to be politically involved and that is perfectly fine. She knows my opinions and agrees with me but she doesn't have even the slightest itch to be concerned with this stuff. We have been married for 12 years and together for 15.

Perhaps I should clarify. My Fiance is apolitical. She happily agrees with my points and cares about other things. I very much enjoy it this way.

^ sounds good.
As long as she shares your morales and values that's what means the most.

Completely agree

I find most woman are that way unless they get pushed into it.

My wife is pretty apolitical. She definitely leans towards disagreement with me, but she is mostly indifferent.

But that indifference bothers me. It might be what others want, but it bothers me.