They call it Summer in December, right?

@John O - it is summer. It's forecast to be 107°F on Thursday. I'm going to the beach.

I'm in the Barossa Valley in South Australia. Wine Country.

It's actually pretty interesting my girlfriend and I are both German Lutherans her ancestors went to Australia and mine to America.

Wow that's really cool @Der Seeteufel - SD interesting how some can find their way back to their own people. Good for you,glad your enjoying it!

Any interesting stories of telling someone you're dating about your involvement in IE?

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maybe someday

@Valaska I have told my GF that I am involved with far right politics but it's a bit different for me because she's Austrailan. She doesn't know much about American politics. She really doesn't care and even though I have told her some of the things I do for IE can be dangerous she doesn't think it's important. I think at some point in the future I will bring her to an IE event and I am hoping that it's not too much for her.

Enter those conversations with wisdom and humility. Generally speaking, women aren’t as politically minded. Don’t force things. Stand by your principles, but tread lightly at the same time.

@Ryan -NJ how do you stand by your principles without your woman asking why you are doing that, and what those principles are? As in how does that not lead to a political argument? I won't date a woman who isn't already at least a trump supporter, or who at least just doesn't care in general

@Jonaltright Good question. Each context is going to be different. Having a base set of shared principle is a good foundation, but humility in a partner and the willingness of a strong / wise man to lead the family (or relationship) is going to clear the path forward.

Over the years, my wife hasn’t always agreed with a particular stance or aspect of my political outlook, but she’s never questioned that I do what I do because I have her best interest in mind.

There’s no need for arguments with her regarding politics. I’m always correct.

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Ultimately, you want to push the window right, slowly, like you would with anyone else. Don't tell her you're in IE right away because she might look it up and get the wrong impression. Teach her about what the left does to white people who stand up for their rights. Tell her about the people you know who were unfairly doxed, and how it affected their families. Explain that's why you don't have social media, and why she needs to be cautious with hers. Don't be a sperg who rants about jews for two hours and then expect her to be on your level. Talk about any relevant news stories that come up, when they come up. This stuff takes time. Little bits of exposure here and there, and eventually she'll show you that she understands. It shouldn't really be your main priority. If she understands why IE is needed, and how the media slanders any pro white organization, it will make it easier to tell her. When she sees that the group is a positive influence on your life and everyone involved are good people that will help as well.


It's not important to find a girl with perfectly aligning political views. I would never quiz a girl on the subject before we started dating. If she's from a good family, with a strong father, and demonstrates a maternal instinct, she's more than likely a good candidate. If you're older you can also look into her past relationships. If she has a history dating low quality guys, she's not a good choice, and vice versa. You won't know until you spend time with her because (don't ban me for this) women are good at presenting themselves differently than they actually are. Ultimately, a good girlfriend will follow your lead, and trust your judgement, while throwing a few tests your way to make sure you're capable of leading.

Or just don't tell her about IE at all.

Also add... women skew right as they age and have families (as do young men). This is particularly the case with white women. Shape the Overton Window in your house be being the ideal representation of our higher goals and ideals. Lead by example and the family follows.

@Ryan -NJ @TV I think that just finding a woman from a healthy family with a strong dominant father to be a challenge in and of itself for most men. I find it immensely hard simply keeping my mouth shut day in and day out in public/work, I have trouble fathoming doing so in my own home. So like in public and she's telling your friends or hers about her love of feminism or equality you just keep quiet? Also what if she is not changing her mind? Is there a point where you bail? Or do you marry anyway and just trust in your leadership to overwhelm her? Go ahead get her pregnant, maybe put a ring on it too, hope for the best?

@Jonaltright I agree that it’s harder and harder for young men to find decent women, but they do exist. Finding a suitable mate comes by being the thing that she doesn’t have and can’t get in the current beta feminist cuck world. Real men are better than fake men any day. The foundational premise is historical and scientific, not merely culturally relative. Young women are told who they should like, but biological evolutionary drive make YOU and other strong men the person she’s actually attracted to.

Draw clear lines at acceptable and unacceptable behavior and etiquette in a potential mate. As long as you aren’t asking someone to be something that you aren’t, you are in the clear. All in all, it’s not about overwhelming someone or being manipulative. It’s about being the best man you can be and challenging her to follow. This isn’t a short game. This is a long play. It may or may not work with a particular lady in a particular context, but it will work. History tells the story.

As far as when to speak about politics... that’s about using wisdom and tact. Stick to issues relevant to her and speak truth to her life. Issues of morality and familial ties are issues that young ladies resonate with. Do more listening than talking. Speak to her heart in teachable moments that matter.

"I won't date a woman who isn't already at least a trump supporter, or who at least just doesn't care in general"

To be honest, I would rather be with an apolitical woman than a civnat

Some civnats are really deep into the "skin color doesn't matter" stuff, but apolitical people can really go either way

Though I'm not really qualified to give dating advice lol

@Ryan -NJ so you were explicitly identitarian, found a left of center or moderate woman, and walked her to our camp? How long did this take you?

In the process you were able to keep her into you while stifiling your true thoughts and feelings in intimate settings? See, for me, all I really have is what I believe, it is my hobby and my passion. I don't even know what I'd talk about without it being informed by or drawing from my beliefs. How I comment on a national news story. How I interpret or judge a film. How I decide what to do with my time. Financially I am largely locked out economically, and can only pull from the bottom of the barrel, on average.

I've had the same problem to some extent, but it's definitely not healthy and something that should be worked on

I kinda try to force myself to have friends outside my political community

But everything your saying I think applies if you've got the resources, familial connections, and so on to trust that in time she comes around. Gotta be a pretty powerful guy to do so I think.

Just do *something* outside of politics

work out, do keto, learn a language, etc

*something* that you can focus your mind on so it's not constantly "this is why diversity sucks"

I’m reading books to the fam. I’ll get back to you guys ASAP.

I do those things. But all of them I do in order to have a family and advance my race. It is my religion, I don't believe in God or anything like that.

This stuff really belongs in <#436337973001322508> . <#436337800405581824> is for engaged and married people

not a big deal, maybe I'll merge some of the channels since it's confusing

@Jonaltright Both my wife and I came from center right families. NYC type Republicans. I’ve always been pro white and conservative. Both of us have been involved in right leaning churches and social circles for most of our adult lives. She has remained socially center right. I’ve remained right / dissident right. She cares about politics where rubber meets the road. In matters of familial importance, schooling, taxation, and freedom of religion. We’ve been together 15+ years. She knows me. I don’t need to preach idenitarian beliefs because I run a campaign of attraction and not promotion. I feel that this method of social capital influence is the best take when we want to enact real change within our small sphere of influence.

@Jonaltright @Jacob Some of the issues you present surround presenting yourself, your ideas, and attracting a mate. I suggest reading something by Roosh V. Start with Game. NOTE: I am NOT promoting pickup culture and degenerate behavior. I suggest reading this book because it’ll give you a framework of alpha mannerisms by which to help you step up your stature. The outline of personal and cosmetic betterment can bring you up multiple notches in the food chain.

what is this in response to?