UPA ethnically cleansed Polaks, and the story actually makes sense, unlike some other genocides in history

why would that change ukranian views on the guy

these perfidious Russian oligarchs were those who sold out the Russian people following perestroika reforms

If it was 100% certain that an independent Ukraine would be right wing and ally with other European right wing states to fight the globalists I'd support it. Fact of the matter is that's less likely than Russia utilizing a propped up Ukraine to do it instead

they sold out Russia to the West

@reactionarytree some of the oligarchs were forced out by Putin, others were integrated into the regime

andrew jackson "ethnically cleansed" the amerindians from america, i love the dude,he's my favorite president. him being a part of some boo hoo "ethnic cleansing" doesn't mean dick to my opinion of him

Well, even from a self interest perspective, it's not very smart to glorify some guy whose army went around murdering civilians

@Nemets oh god

yes, Putin is not backed by the oligarchs. they are not a monolith in Russia. Putin has played hardball with them

@Nemets aren't they left?

James K. Polk was best

@reactionarytree again, some of them. Plenty of oligarchs and special interests still around in Russia. Usually at the people's expense

Andrew Jackson didn't arbitrarily kill them, he negotiated separation between groups so they stop fighting. He was objectively a good guy. @Sam Southern - TN

Doesn't the majority of that block basically want to ally the west though

Furthermore the Kremlin is flooding Russia with cheap central Asian Muslim labor, at the expense of the ethnic Russian tax payer. So is Putin even a quasi-nationalist in practice?

Who would win out though

I'd support an Intermarium it's just unlikely

@Kingfish Yes, these "nationalists" are nationalists in name only. They literally supported pro-EU protests lmao.

and the west could topple a single ukraine anyway

at the end of the day, you have to pick a side: USA or Russia. USA has made it explicitly clear they would like to destroy people like us. and the notion of us vs the world is fantasy

I support Russia propping it up because it seems to be the most likely and secure strategy for fighting our enemies

@reactionarytree you are aware that you live in this country and are kind of stuck with it for the time being?

a more powerful Russia is a less powerful European Union and NATO

Azov is so based that due to the coup they supported, you're more likely to die of starvation in Ukraine than Libya

what kind of cucked idiot is choosing to ally with a foreign nation and a foreign people over their own nation and people lol

the usa is more than the suits in offices

Yes, I live under the tyranny of oligarchs. That doesn't mean I should support them at all.

Maidan really ran that country into the ground

I like Russia, it's part of my heritage, but I'l live and die an American (even if that means disagreeing with the current state of things)

Just because we live in the USA doesn't mean we should want Zio-Globalists to be successful in their endeavors

in fact, I hope they fail

yes, we're all very upset about the *checks notes* Zio-Globalists, but there lots of shades of grey when it comes to Eastern Europe and nationalist movements there

@reactionarytree I think you could have stated that better. It's not "America" that's the problem right now, it's the current government in America. In that case, yes, you're right, we don't want them gaining any more power around the world.

I trust Putin to behave like a KGB agent, and nothing more or less

When Putin wins, Americans win, Globalists lose

yeah I don't want the globalists to win either, but in your established dichotomy of siding with russia (with whom I have nothing in common, no ethnic relation, no religious affiliation, no national affiliation) or the usa (my literal country), I'm picking the usa every time ffs

@TylerHess agreed

Azov gang raped a mentally disabled man. Not much nuance to be had.

@reactionarytree that's just not accurate

Not really, there are more than two sides in international politics. Oversimplifications like that tend to lead to mindless Kremlin shilling and the Kremlin is not in line at all with our ideology.