Message from @Kingfish

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2018-12-07 03:29:18 UTC  

looks like dude just tried and failed and tried and failed to create an independent Ukraine

2018-12-07 03:29:49 UTC  

UPA ethnically cleansed Polaks, and the story actually makes sense, unlike some other genocides in history

2018-12-07 03:30:37 UTC  

why would that change ukranian views on the guy

2018-12-07 03:30:47 UTC  

these perfidious Russian oligarchs were those who sold out the Russian people following perestroika reforms

2018-12-07 03:30:52 UTC  

If it was 100% certain that an independent Ukraine would be right wing and ally with other European right wing states to fight the globalists I'd support it. Fact of the matter is that's less likely than Russia utilizing a propped up Ukraine to do it instead

2018-12-07 03:31:12 UTC  

they sold out Russia to the West

2018-12-07 03:31:18 UTC  

@reactionarytree some of the oligarchs were forced out by Putin, others were integrated into the regime

2018-12-07 03:31:25 UTC  

andrew jackson "ethnically cleansed" the amerindians from america, i love the dude,he's my favorite president. him being a part of some boo hoo "ethnic cleansing" doesn't mean dick to my opinion of him

2018-12-07 03:31:36 UTC  

Well, even from a self interest perspective, it's not very smart to glorify some guy whose army went around murdering civilians

2018-12-07 03:31:38 UTC  

@Nemets oh god

2018-12-07 03:31:52 UTC  

yes, Putin is not backed by the oligarchs. they are not a monolith in Russia. Putin has played hardball with them

2018-12-07 03:32:03 UTC  

@Nemets aren't they left?

2018-12-07 03:32:18 UTC  

James K. Polk was best

2018-12-07 03:32:25 UTC  

@reactionarytree again, some of them. Plenty of oligarchs and special interests still around in Russia. Usually at the people's expense

2018-12-07 03:32:39 UTC  

Andrew Jackson didn't arbitrarily kill them, he negotiated separation between groups so they stop fighting. He was objectively a good guy. @Sam Southern - TN

2018-12-07 03:32:50 UTC  

Doesn't the majority of that block basically want to ally the west though

2018-12-07 03:33:12 UTC  

Furthermore the Kremlin is flooding Russia with cheap central Asian Muslim labor, at the expense of the ethnic Russian tax payer. So is Putin even a quasi-nationalist in practice?

2018-12-07 03:33:22 UTC  

Who would win out though

2018-12-07 03:33:29 UTC  

I'd support an Intermarium it's just unlikely

2018-12-07 03:33:37 UTC  

@Kingfish Yes, these "nationalists" are nationalists in name only. They literally supported pro-EU protests lmao.

2018-12-07 03:33:41 UTC  

and the west could topple a single ukraine anyway

2018-12-07 03:34:06 UTC  

at the end of the day, you have to pick a side: USA or Russia. USA has made it explicitly clear they would like to destroy people like us. and the notion of us vs the world is fantasy

2018-12-07 03:34:11 UTC  

I support Russia propping it up because it seems to be the most likely and secure strategy for fighting our enemies

2018-12-07 03:34:29 UTC  

@reactionarytree you are aware that you live in this country and are kind of stuck with it for the time being?

2018-12-07 03:34:29 UTC  

a more powerful Russia is a less powerful European Union and NATO

2018-12-07 03:34:32 UTC  

Azov is so based that due to the coup they supported, you're more likely to die of starvation in Ukraine than Libya

2018-12-07 03:34:35 UTC  

what kind of cucked idiot is choosing to ally with a foreign nation and a foreign people over their own nation and people lol

2018-12-07 03:34:51 UTC  

the usa is more than the suits in offices

2018-12-07 03:34:55 UTC  

Yes, I live under the tyranny of oligarchs. That doesn't mean I should support them at all.

2018-12-07 03:35:00 UTC  

Maidan really ran that country into the ground

2018-12-07 03:35:30 UTC  

I like Russia, it's part of my heritage, but I'l live and die an American (even if that means disagreeing with the current state of things)

2018-12-07 03:35:33 UTC  

Just because we live in the USA doesn't mean we should want Zio-Globalists to be successful in their endeavors

2018-12-07 03:35:39 UTC  

in fact, I hope they fail

2018-12-07 03:36:36 UTC  

yes, we're all very upset about the *checks notes* Zio-Globalists, but there lots of shades of grey when it comes to Eastern Europe and nationalist movements there

2018-12-07 03:36:39 UTC  

@reactionarytree I think you could have stated that better. It's not "America" that's the problem right now, it's the current government in America. In that case, yes, you're right, we don't want them gaining any more power around the world.

2018-12-07 03:36:55 UTC  

I trust Putin to behave like a KGB agent, and nothing more or less

2018-12-07 03:36:58 UTC  

When Putin wins, Americans win, Globalists lose

2018-12-07 03:37:04 UTC  

yeah I don't want the globalists to win either, but in your established dichotomy of siding with russia (with whom I have nothing in common, no ethnic relation, no religious affiliation, no national affiliation) or the usa (my literal country), I'm picking the usa every time ffs

2018-12-07 03:37:08 UTC  

@TylerHess agreed

2018-12-07 03:37:10 UTC  

Azov gang raped a mentally disabled man. Not much nuance to be had.

2018-12-07 03:37:15 UTC  

@reactionarytree that's just not accurate