1. Cercle Proudhon server
2. 18
3. Australia
4. Its retarded. No true third positionist should support what is advocated for in that book
5. undesirable goal
6. I am a fascist and third positionist. I believe in the dismantling of liberal democracy and capitalism and the establishment of a strong state that will defend the interests of the collective. I think labels like left and right are pretty arbitrary.
7. ive been interested in politics for about 3 years. would like to learn more about idealist philosophy
8. Liberals need to be taught how destructive their ideology is and why materialism and individualism should be opposed.
9. a world free from materialist and individualist systems.
10. it promotes degeneracy and hedonism.
11. Agnostic
12. i oppose all materialist worldviews
13. i would consider myself a cultural and ethnic nationalist
14. im anti-imperialis
15. yes
16. i dont support accelerationism, although i think U/Acc has some interesting analyses

ever since i graduated HS i havent really had to use a pen that much

@Ginnungagap exactly. I’m not sure the specifics on Mussolini’s views but Hitler considered Christianity a feeble religion and incompatible with Fascism. He actually viewed Islam in a much more positive light

Nice to see someone who understands this as oppose to all the larpers who want a fascist Christian theocracy or whatever

Wrt Gentile I doubt this dude even knows who that is lol

yeah he had a few good takes on Christianity. You can really tell which fascists today have read up on what they are talking about and which ones havent based on their views on religion

i find it extremely hard to take the christian clerical "fascists" seriously

``` "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"```

- Adolf Hitler

i just consider myself a fascist but i do have a lot of respect for Jose Antonio and the Falange @Ginnungagap

fair

religiously im just agnostic/atheist but i recognise the potential usefulness of religion

^

"clerical fash catholic"

cringe

imagine thinking christianity and fascism are at all compatible

as Hitler said, its a meek and flabby religion

Hitler, Gentile, Mussolini all hated christianity

``` "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"```
- Adolf Hitler

>fascist
>reactionary
>christian

yikes.

read marinetti

@Huursa welcome 👋

i generally prefer punitive justice but i think rehabilitation is necessary for people like drug abusers. death penalty should apply to pre-mediated murderers, rapists and pedophiles

pre-mediated murderers, rapists and pedophiles certainly dont deserve to live imo

i think the kill all criminals guy was joking lol

chill

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there are much better alternatives to capitalism than communism

i oppose all materialism

Some people don’t deserve to be treated as humans. Eg. pedophiles

it means you are an african

european socialist libertarianism has existed longer than the american conception of it @Flash

anarchism was originally a socialist idea as well

libertarianism of any form is dumb though

what

@Flash look up Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin etc

socialism literally originated as a libertarian idea

with Fourier, Owen etc

yes, anarchism is a form of libertarianism lol

and they referred to themselves as libsocs as well as anarchists

yes thats the very recent american conception of libertarianism

the european conception of libertarian socialism has existed since the 1800s and refers to anti statism

yes, libertarian socialism and anarchism were used pretty much synonymously by people like Proudhon, Bakunin etc

you also had people like Charles Fourier who were the precursors to these ideas

and Robert Owen

the capitalist "right-libertarianism" is relatively a very recent thing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%C3%A9jacque

first ever person to use the term "libertarian" was a communist

@Flash their ideology is liberalism which comes from people like john locke

``I'd rather call them marxists``

if you think modern liberals are marxists you either dont know what marxism is or you dont know what modern liberalism is lol

eh, marxists can be socially conservative. Marx himself was a supporter of the nuclear family and was fairly racist

pretty much all the historical socialists were either racist or misogynistic tho

or both in the case of Proudhon

``Up until recent decades socialists were hardly distinguishable from extreme right ideologies``

i mean this is just wrong

and depends what you mean by "extreme right ideologies"

no its not

Hitler hated christianity lol

no he wasnt

Hitler literally considered christianity incompatible with fascism

^

``` "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"```
- Adolf Hitler

@OrthoGoat

also yeah the swastika is a buddhist symbol

not catholic lmao

Gentile, Mussolini, Hitler all hated christianity although Mussolini utilized the church for political gain

Hitler did too to an extent

he utilized the vatican for political gain but yeah

most of the Italian fascists hated christianity especially Marinetti

@Doktor Goon yeah that was cause of how connected italian society was with the vatican

he would of been an idiot not to

@Flash read up on Gentile rather than Mussolini then

Gentile really started the fascist movement and gave a philosophical basis for it

he ghost wrote part of one his books yes

but he wrote a lot of his own material

Origins and Doctrines of Fascism was written by him and is IMO the best introduction to fascist thought

if you are interested in learning about the philosophical base of it then i'd recommend The Theory of Mind as Pure Act also by Gentile

@EseWoods welcome

Marx is incredibly important. I encourage every fascist to try get through Das Kapital

yeah i know

the manifesto is alright, introduces you to a few concepts but its really just a propaganda pamphlet

what

"opium of the people" isnt an anti religious quote

thats a misinterpretation

he was saying that religion was a kind of illusionary happiness, that people who were oppressed were religious because it gave them hope etc. back in those days opium was used as a sort of painkiller. in that same quote Marx refers to religion as the "sigh of the oppressed creature"

1. Marx never advocated for secularism. he advocated for the withering away of the state
2. thats literally the quote. "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". im not sure how you can interpret this in any other way to what i mentioned. He is saying that religion gives people hope which is why so many oppressed people (workers) were religious. Opium in those days was literally a painkiller. He is essentially saying that it makes people complacent with this life while giving them hope for the next

if you just take that quote to mean "haha drugs bad therefore religion bad" then im not sure what to do with you lol

@Ginnungagap because it takes away muh human rights /s

holy shit

@Flash do you actually think Marx's on the jewish question is anti semitic? have you actually read the essay or did you just see the title and think hurr durr anti semitism

thats

a yikes

are you aware of Marx's theory of dialecticial materialism and his materialist conception of history

because thats what the essay was about

most who have actually read Marx's work would consider Stalin a revision of Marx

this is the second time you have taken a quote you saw on wikipedia out of context and misinterpreted it with your extremely simplistic world view

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prageru doesnt count @Flash

you realise that Hjalmar Schacht was a top nazi economist @Flash

also yeah we should move out of this channel

cause this isnt a religious discussion