Hitler did too to an extent

Mussolini was anti Christian too?

he utilized the vatican for political gain but yeah

Until he tried to gain favour with the pope

I never paid much attention to him because Hitler overshadows him so much

most of the Italian fascists hated christianity especially Marinetti

@Doktor Goon yeah that was cause of how connected italian society was with the vatican

Well it's not like mussolini is terribly interesting

he would of been an idiot not to

I mean he started the fascist movement so I felt I should read up on him somewhat

His son is a prominent jazz musician

<:mussolini:415920205139673109> mussolini da man

@Flash read up on Gentile rather than Mussolini then

Gentile really started the fascist movement and gave a philosophical basis for it

He helped write a lot of Mussolini’s stuff right?

he ghost wrote part of one his books yes

but he wrote a lot of his own material

Origins and Doctrines of Fascism was written by him and is IMO the best introduction to fascist thought

The first fascist book I read was the political and social doctrine of fascism by Mussolini

But I’ll try and check out that

if you are interested in learning about the philosophical base of it then i'd recommend The Theory of Mind as Pure Act also by Gentile

@EseWoods welcome

Welcome

Shalom

I have a decent set of fascist books I’m still working through, same with communists

Marx is incredibly important. I encourage every fascist to try get through Das Kapital

I haven’t had time to even consider Das Kapital but I’ve read the communist manifesto

Also I’m not fascist

yeah i know

the manifesto is alright, introduces you to a few concepts but its really just a propaganda pamphlet

I found it funny how Marx accuses capitalism of “downing the ecstasies of religious fervor” in the manifesto and then turns around later and calls religion the opium of the people

I'd say those two statements don't contridict each other

He set himself up to be pro religion at first and then made it known he was anti religious

what

"opium of the people" isnt an anti religious quote

thats a misinterpretation

he was saying that religion was a kind of illusionary happiness, that people who were oppressed were religious because it gave them hope etc. back in those days opium was used as a sort of painkiller. in that same quote Marx refers to religion as the "sigh of the oppressed creature"

I’d beg to differ with what he meant considering where later regimes went in regards to religious policy

(State atheism)

1. Marx never advocated for secularism. he advocated for the withering away of the state
2. thats literally the quote. "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". im not sure how you can interpret this in any other way to what i mentioned. He is saying that religion gives people hope which is why so many oppressed people (workers) were religious. Opium in those days was literally a painkiller. He is essentially saying that it makes people complacent with this life while giving them hope for the next

if you just take that quote to mean "haha drugs bad therefore religion bad" then im not sure what to do with you lol