european socialist libertarianism has existed longer than the american conception of it @Flash

anarchism was originally a socialist idea as well

libertarianism of any form is dumb though

Libertarian socialism has only been an idea for the last decades

what

imo libertarianism is only bad in terms of economy since they only harm the workers

Before that you only had the authoritarian version we all know

@Flash look up Proudhon, Kropotkin, Bakunin etc

socialism literally originated as a libertarian idea

Weren’t they anarchists

with Fourier, Owen etc

yes, anarchism is a form of libertarianism lol

No it isn’t lol

and they referred to themselves as libsocs as well as anarchists

Libertarians want to keep they state just at a minimum. Anarchists want to abolish it

yes thats the very recent american conception of libertarianism

the european conception of libertarian socialism has existed since the 1800s and refers to anti statism

So libertarianism as the 1800s folk understood was anarchism?

yes, libertarian socialism and anarchism were used pretty much synonymously by people like Proudhon, Bakunin etc

you also had people like Charles Fourier who were the precursors to these ideas

and Robert Owen

the capitalist "right-libertarianism" is relatively a very recent thing

I had never heard that before but alright

The libertarians here all claim their ideology comes from the founding fathers which makes them sound really old

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%C3%A9jacque

first ever person to use the term "libertarian" was a communist

Mfw

@Flash their ideology is liberalism which comes from people like john locke

Yeah, Locke is someone they like to bring up too

They’re classical liberals

Classical liberals are fine kindab

Idk they aren't gay

So

I can handle them. They can normally be reasoned with

Generally

They so have non Christian values derived from material but they can be reasoned with

They’re not like modern liberals who are insane

Insane?

I'd rather call them marxists

It's kinda what it is

Supporting drag kids, censorship, etc