Message from @Eno

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2020-01-25 02:32:58 UTC  

Gentile really started the fascist movement and gave a philosophical basis for it

2020-01-25 02:33:00 UTC  

He helped write a lot of Mussolini’s stuff right?

2020-01-25 02:33:17 UTC  

he ghost wrote part of one his books yes

2020-01-25 02:33:23 UTC  

but he wrote a lot of his own material

2020-01-25 02:33:41 UTC  

Origins and Doctrines of Fascism was written by him and is IMO the best introduction to fascist thought

2020-01-25 02:34:06 UTC  

The first fascist book I read was the political and social doctrine of fascism by Mussolini

2020-01-25 02:34:13 UTC  

But I’ll try and check out that

2020-01-25 02:34:54 UTC  

if you are interested in learning about the philosophical base of it then i'd recommend The Theory of Mind as Pure Act also by Gentile

2020-01-25 02:36:35 UTC  

@EseWoods welcome

2020-01-25 02:36:55 UTC  

Welcome

2020-01-25 02:37:15 UTC  

Shalom

2020-01-25 02:37:16 UTC  

I have a decent set of fascist books I’m still working through, same with communists

2020-01-25 02:37:50 UTC  

Marx is incredibly important. I encourage every fascist to try get through Das Kapital

2020-01-25 02:38:17 UTC  

I haven’t had time to even consider Das Kapital but I’ve read the communist manifesto

2020-01-25 02:38:21 UTC  

Also I’m not fascist

2020-01-25 02:38:29 UTC  

yeah i know

2020-01-25 02:38:53 UTC  

the manifesto is alright, introduces you to a few concepts but its really just a propaganda pamphlet

2020-01-25 02:39:15 UTC  

I found it funny how Marx accuses capitalism of “downing the ecstasies of religious fervor” in the manifesto and then turns around later and calls religion the opium of the people

2020-01-25 02:41:41 UTC  

I'd say those two statements don't contridict each other

2020-01-25 02:42:16 UTC  

He set himself up to be pro religion at first and then made it known he was anti religious

2020-01-25 02:43:38 UTC  

what

2020-01-25 02:43:49 UTC  

"opium of the people" isnt an anti religious quote

2020-01-25 02:43:55 UTC  

thats a misinterpretation

2020-01-25 02:44:58 UTC  

he was saying that religion was a kind of illusionary happiness, that people who were oppressed were religious because it gave them hope etc. back in those days opium was used as a sort of painkiller. in that same quote Marx refers to religion as the "sigh of the oppressed creature"

2020-01-25 02:46:00 UTC  

I’d beg to differ with what he meant considering where later regimes went in regards to religious policy

2020-01-25 02:46:06 UTC  

(State atheism)

2020-01-25 02:50:13 UTC  

1. Marx never advocated for secularism. he advocated for the withering away of the state
2. thats literally the quote. "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". im not sure how you can interpret this in any other way to what i mentioned. He is saying that religion gives people hope which is why so many oppressed people (workers) were religious. Opium in those days was literally a painkiller. He is essentially saying that it makes people complacent with this life while giving them hope for the next

2020-01-25 02:50:33 UTC  

if you just take that quote to mean "haha drugs bad therefore religion bad" then im not sure what to do with you lol

2020-01-25 03:07:46 UTC  

Isn’t something that gives you false hope arguably a bad thing?

2020-01-25 03:09:46 UTC  

@Eno Can you tell me about what his new claim is

2020-01-25 03:09:48 UTC  

retarded claim*

2020-01-25 03:10:22 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587015719141507102/670465461564997645/image0.png

2020-01-25 03:10:40 UTC  

How can you read my mind?

2020-01-25 03:10:46 UTC  

I've been thinking that the entire time

2020-01-25 03:10:54 UTC  

its not as simple as that. you have a very simplistic view of it all. Marx is saying that its a product of the oppression the workers experience. he's not advocating for "state atheism" because "state atheism" will not, according to marx, be required once workers are liberated from this oppression @Flash

2020-01-25 03:11:23 UTC  

Marx was literally a Hegelian in his younger years lmao

2020-01-25 03:11:24 UTC  

According to Marxist theory there won’t be a state at all once workers are liberated

2020-01-25 03:11:25 UTC  

he's not saying religion bad or religion good, but rather religion is

2020-01-25 03:11:26 UTC  

"State Atheism"

2020-01-25 03:11:27 UTC  

ok retarrd

2020-01-25 03:11:36 UTC  

exactly @Flash