Message from @Eno
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Gentile really started the fascist movement and gave a philosophical basis for it
He helped write a lot of Mussolini’s stuff right?
he ghost wrote part of one his books yes
but he wrote a lot of his own material
Origins and Doctrines of Fascism was written by him and is IMO the best introduction to fascist thought
The first fascist book I read was the political and social doctrine of fascism by Mussolini
But I’ll try and check out that
if you are interested in learning about the philosophical base of it then i'd recommend The Theory of Mind as Pure Act also by Gentile
Welcome
Shalom
I have a decent set of fascist books I’m still working through, same with communists
Marx is incredibly important. I encourage every fascist to try get through Das Kapital
I haven’t had time to even consider Das Kapital but I’ve read the communist manifesto
Also I’m not fascist
yeah i know
the manifesto is alright, introduces you to a few concepts but its really just a propaganda pamphlet
I found it funny how Marx accuses capitalism of “downing the ecstasies of religious fervor” in the manifesto and then turns around later and calls religion the opium of the people
I'd say those two statements don't contridict each other
He set himself up to be pro religion at first and then made it known he was anti religious
"opium of the people" isnt an anti religious quote
thats a misinterpretation
he was saying that religion was a kind of illusionary happiness, that people who were oppressed were religious because it gave them hope etc. back in those days opium was used as a sort of painkiller. in that same quote Marx refers to religion as the "sigh of the oppressed creature"
I’d beg to differ with what he meant considering where later regimes went in regards to religious policy
(State atheism)
1. Marx never advocated for secularism. he advocated for the withering away of the state
2. thats literally the quote. "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". im not sure how you can interpret this in any other way to what i mentioned. He is saying that religion gives people hope which is why so many oppressed people (workers) were religious. Opium in those days was literally a painkiller. He is essentially saying that it makes people complacent with this life while giving them hope for the next
if you just take that quote to mean "haha drugs bad therefore religion bad" then im not sure what to do with you lol
Isn’t something that gives you false hope arguably a bad thing?
@Eno Can you tell me about what his new claim is
retarded claim*
How can you read my mind?
I've been thinking that the entire time
its not as simple as that. you have a very simplistic view of it all. Marx is saying that its a product of the oppression the workers experience. he's not advocating for "state atheism" because "state atheism" will not, according to marx, be required once workers are liberated from this oppression @Flash
Marx was literally a Hegelian in his younger years lmao
According to Marxist theory there won’t be a state at all once workers are liberated
he's not saying religion bad or religion good, but rather religion is
"State Atheism"
ok retarrd