Message from @Eno
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socialism literally originated as a libertarian idea
Weren’t they anarchists
with Fourier, Owen etc
yes, anarchism is a form of libertarianism lol
No it isn’t lol
and they referred to themselves as libsocs as well as anarchists
Libertarians want to keep they state just at a minimum. Anarchists want to abolish it
yes thats the very recent american conception of libertarianism
the european conception of libertarian socialism has existed since the 1800s and refers to anti statism
So libertarianism as the 1800s folk understood was anarchism?
yes, libertarian socialism and anarchism were used pretty much synonymously by people like Proudhon, Bakunin etc
you also had people like Charles Fourier who were the precursors to these ideas
and Robert Owen
the capitalist "right-libertarianism" is relatively a very recent thing
I had never heard that before but alright
The libertarians here all claim their ideology comes from the founding fathers which makes them sound really old
first ever person to use the term "libertarian" was a communist
Mfw
Yeah, Locke is someone they like to bring up too
They’re classical liberals
Classical liberals are fine kindab
Idk they aren't gay
So
I can handle them. They can normally be reasoned with
Generally
They so have non Christian values derived from material but they can be reasoned with
They’re not like modern liberals who are insane
Insane?
I'd rather call them marxists
It's kinda what it is
Supporting drag kids, censorship, etc
Boomer takes
Classical liberals aren’t fans of that stuff
Technically no
As they aren't used to it
But ideologically yes they
They do kinda support it
If we're taking values purely