Message from @Eno
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Anti Semitic communist?
Last time I saw tons of you guys was the 50s
Makism is gay and wont allow a post leftist role
Or anti capitalist
Anti capitalist libertarian?
That sounds like a contradiction
Nah
Libertarians are capitalist by default pretty much
American libertarians
european socialist libertarianism has existed longer than the american conception of it @Flash
anarchism was originally a socialist idea as well
libertarianism of any form is dumb though
Libertarian socialism has only been an idea for the last decades
what
imo libertarianism is only bad in terms of economy since they only harm the workers
Before that you only had the authoritarian version we all know
socialism literally originated as a libertarian idea
Weren’t they anarchists
with Fourier, Owen etc
No it isn’t lol
and they referred to themselves as libsocs as well as anarchists
Libertarians want to keep they state just at a minimum. Anarchists want to abolish it
yes thats the very recent american conception of libertarianism
the european conception of libertarian socialism has existed since the 1800s and refers to anti statism
So libertarianism as the 1800s folk understood was anarchism?
yes, libertarian socialism and anarchism were used pretty much synonymously by people like Proudhon, Bakunin etc
you also had people like Charles Fourier who were the precursors to these ideas
and Robert Owen
the capitalist "right-libertarianism" is relatively a very recent thing
I had never heard that before but alright
The libertarians here all claim their ideology comes from the founding fathers which makes them sound really old
first ever person to use the term "libertarian" was a communist
@Flash their ideology is liberalism which comes from people like john locke
Yeah, Locke is someone they like to bring up too
They’re classical liberals
Classical liberals are fine kindab
Idk they aren't gay