@OrwellHuxley "Now our tax dollars will defend white rights."
Well, considering this is a white nation in which whites contribute the majority of said tax dollars...

It would make sense for their representative to "defend white rights."

What, does she think white people's rights shouldn't be defended? wtf

@OrwellHuxley I ought to thank these lunatics for acting so ridiculous. I may never have woken up to what was going on otherwise.

It's like Trump's tweet about trannies. There was a media shitstorm and at work I expected everyone to be talking about how awful it was, but to my surprise, my coworkers (in hushed voices) agreed that maybe it was for the best.

"Those people...it's not natural. They have a problem. Men should be men, just how God created them." etc

The average guy on the street feels totally disconnected from any of these professional outrage machines.

When they push their "DONALD TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER!" line after every mundane thing he says or does, normal people start sweating because they realize they actually side with him over the media.

They really are forcing people to agree with him even if they didn't vote for him or like him. You are defined by your enemies, it turns out. The Alt Lite is slowly realizing this too, as all their virtue signaling about those icky Nazis doesn't seem to have any impact on their fate: getting kicked off social media and branded as bigots.

IMAGINE MY SHOCK

"Try to avoid arguing over conspiracy theories, economics, or religion."

Key word being TRY lol

That's /our girl/

Hello

@campodin @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 Telos* is survival

Since all organisms die, no organism can survive indefinitely, but genes can

Organisms are vessels for genes, and thus it is an organism's ultimate purpose to secure the survival of its genes

@campodin that's typically how we think of them. For example homosexuality is considered degenerate because it doesn't produce offspring

You could say the same for any form of sex that doesn't have the potential for reproduction. Now keep in mind while a blowjob is degenerate, a man can get a blowjob one night and still have kids prior to his death.

Calling something degenerate just identifies it as less than ideal

It's not really priority #1

Ironically role playing, BDSM, and dressing up during sex aren't degenerate by this definition assuming the form of sex is still intercourse

Weird

@Madden and no birth control is used

Adultury isn't nessesarily degenerate either by this definition

If the man cheats on his wife and impregnates his mistress then he is being procreative

The concern here isn't degeneracy but something else

Simply put groups are a strategy in which multiple organisms (often with shared genes) cooperate to compete with other groups and organisms. The most successful groups have rules for how group members should interact with each other and when a member breaks the rules the group condemns the rule breaker because he is undermining group cohesion

That's why adultury is condemned within society

Societies that condemn it do better as a result

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 no survival is Telos

Survival at any cost

Yes

You're right

@campodin false.

People do things that are detrimental to the survival of their genes, of humanity, and of life

What I claim is not that all organism act this way, but that this is how all organisms SHOULD act

Those who do so well pass on their genes. The rest are lost to time

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here

The Telos is the survival of genes, do you disagree?

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 remember what I said about groups?

A priest serves a function in his group that increases group cohesion and the likelihood of shared genes surviving

A celibate priest is acting in a way that will increase the likelihood that his genes will survive, because his siblings, cousins, and entire extended family which shares genes that belong to his group benefit from priests promoting social norms in the group

Also the term degeneracy doesn't apply to the absence of good behavior. It is used to identify behavior that is similar to good behavior but misses the mark

So gay sex is like regular sex but it misses the possibility of producing offspring

@ham addition well I just joined tonight but I think my case for it is quite coherent

In a sense gay sex is very close to being a procreative act, but the factor that keeps it from being procreative is what makes it degenerate

@Deleted User no lol

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 they don't/can't

That's what makes it degenerate

If they could it wouldn't be degenerate

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿ahhhhh

Now I see what you meant

It was unclear

Okay @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 I can answer that seriously

When a man has sex with another man the act of sex is degenerate. When a man has intercourse with a woman the act is not degenerate.

So theoretically a gay man could be degenerate, then impregnate a woman and he would die with offspring

@ham addition wrong

Unprotected sex by the very terminology gives away the worldview of the one talking

Protection from what?

Protection from procreation. In other words, it's a worldview that sees procreation as a threat

I sense that we are rapidly moving away from the topic we were discussing previously

Well if anyone wants to talk about the Telos, survival, genes, or degeneracy let me know

Bye

@campodin thanks.

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 loathsome cur haha

I like it

@SilverLining hello

@The Big Oof

What is the QOTD

razorlaze, what are you two debating?

You mean define cosmopolitan?

Im sry I got here late

@SilverLining It shouldn't.

PLOT TWIST

Snake betrays razor haha

What if you nation stops killing people?

I think THAT'S when I'd overthrow it for being inept

It shouldnt

I am interested to hear razor's reasoning

lol

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I wonder

Group cohesion to be more general

It shouldn't

Ah, but now we're delving into individual vs collective

So you'll lose me as an ally here

I had a similar discussion earlier in the chat text channel

Simply put groups are a strategy in which multiple organisms (often with shared genes) cooperate to compete with other groups and organisms. The most successful groups have rules for how group members should interact with each other and when a member breaks the rules the group condemns the rule breaker because he is undermining group cohesion

By the same logic if a member seeks to undermine the group itself then other members should condemn the rebel for undermining group cohesion

However this only applies to groups that are advantageous for the members. If membership is disadvantageous then the benefits of undermining group cohesion may be worth the costs

Ah now that takes us back to ideals and first principles

Fun stuff

Are you a nihilist out of curiousity?

Moth

How would you describe yourself philosophically

Well that's where the disagreement lies.

I am not and I assume razor isnt either

So naturally a utilitarian wont value group cohesion the way razor and I do

@SilverLining if you're a utilitarian you shouldn't.