Also Tsarist Russia

well, sans republic

Creating ethnic-based states is a garbage idea either way, though

eh

yeah really

especially in terms of broader ethnicities

like "Germanic" or "Slavic"

not bad, but I'm saying it's pointless to seek organization strictly upon ethnic lines

especially if it's non-existent right now

I'd argue organization should be even more regional

For example, while the south may be "ethnically American", just like the north

I don't see why the north needs to remain tethered to the south

yeah... the UK needs to split up imo

don't make "pan-[whatever]" empires

just divide as much as possible

I mean, ideally, I'd want a system wherein each county/region/town has a large degree of autonomy

preferably completely democratic

In a confederation, ofc

I think a constitution should be in place

as well

to secure basic rights, at least within decent regions

eh, maybe town is too small

County, or even province/state based

eh

not in modern days

confederacy I'd say

confederacy

there's still such a massive degree of autonomy within each state that it'd be unreasonable to call it a federation

GB got to keep the pound, even

also

the laws aren't really

entirely universal

and is there a federation between Canada, the US, and Mexico because NAFTA is a thing?

"People need a sense that they are incarnation of a set of values and culture of their forefathers (which they are) than simply a set of esoteric values that have well, nowhere to be pinned down to. "

Why?

Nobody actually follows the values of their forefathers at this point

antifa's not a centralized organization, you know

it's just a loosely connected band of people

It'd be more accurate to just say "some people are releasing discord logs"

What even are European values?

Do you mean catholic feudal values?

Or the pagan tribal values?

perhaps even the reformation - that value which encouraged change and reform in society

or maybe the enlightenment, how Europeans criticized authority and the current societal order

Maybe even the libertarian values, the liberal values which espoused absolute freedom in all regards

but then again, there's always the chance you mean the totalist values, which placed the state above all, discouraging dissent

Or maybe... Communism, which had its roots in Europe - do you think those values should be held to?

ah, but then again, neo-liberal values exist, too...

and how has the cosmopolitan not treated european states too well?

The standard of living has only boomed...

essentially, a set of believes defining all humans as equal

hmm

"none of those were exclusive to Europe"

can you tell me which non-european nation

well, sure, genocide too, go for that

... can you maybe not?

anyhow, I was going to discuss the brutality of imperialism

and that proves?

I could point out you saying "But ottomans, moth!"

and that'd mean nothing

(even though the ottomans actually were pretty benevolent under the millet system)

okay, so your point against that is?

also, it's not really anti-european to point that out

it's just pointing out a historical truth

if any other ethnicity were in europe, then yes, they'd do the same thing

Japan modeled its government off of European states

and I'm not justifying that?

On the same extent and scale, razor.

which non-european nation invaded four other continents and suppressed the natives

dwindling their numbers down severely, or simply committing atrocities against them in order to advance their own wealth

Not on the same scale

and like

I'm not saying there should be 'self-hatred' in europe or anything

just merely that europeans should own up to what they did, and why the economic/political imbalance exists presently

do you get what I'm saying?

Essentially, I'm trying to say that Europe's current position of power was built on a fuck ton of corpses, and that it's not really something to be proud of

just like

be a person, y'know

You're not powerful because you belong to a particular race

except I'm not?

I mean, China's growing in power, sure, yeah

They're mostly domestic corpses, even

Values is the incorrect term
The correct wording should be self pride

- you

anywho

What I'm trying to point out

is that you shouldn't be proud your nation killed a fuck ton of people

in fact, you shouldn't be proud

No, ofc not

I'm not defending these corpses at all

Not really

no

brb for a sec

and no, I didn't

I referred to domestic corpses to point out how it's not on the same scope

not on the same scale

This whole side-argument is pointless

It's a whataboutism

You also, again

said