Message from @Snakeisninja

Discord ID: 488120366263435265


2018-09-08 22:46:29 UTC  

I'm in favor of social pressures against oral sex. Ie. Ostracization

2018-09-08 22:46:48 UTC  

It's not really priority #1

2018-09-08 22:47:02 UTC  

But yes, not all degeneracy is equal

2018-09-08 22:47:58 UTC  

Ironically role playing, BDSM, and dressing up during sex aren't degenerate by this definition assuming the form of sex is still intercourse

2018-09-08 22:48:09 UTC  

Weird

2018-09-08 22:48:40 UTC  

As long as it isn't adultery, sodomy or gay

2018-09-08 22:48:56 UTC  

@Madden and no birth control is used

2018-09-08 22:49:04 UTC  

Well age play could be since it encourages attraction to children

2018-09-08 22:49:04 UTC  

Yea

2018-09-08 22:49:19 UTC  

Adultury isn't nessesarily degenerate either by this definition

2018-09-08 22:49:53 UTC  

Not sexually degenerate

2018-09-08 22:50:17 UTC  

If the man cheats on his wife and impregnates his mistress then he is being procreative

2018-09-08 22:50:40 UTC  

The concern here isn't degeneracy but something else

2018-09-08 22:52:04 UTC  

You would argue based on the effect that single parent/out of wedlock kids have on society

2018-09-08 22:53:40 UTC  

Not even that is correct. Telos is an end. The ultimate Goal, the aim.

2018-09-08 22:54:22 UTC  

Not even what?

2018-09-08 22:54:33 UTC  

Simply put groups are a strategy in which multiple organisms (often with shared genes) cooperate to compete with other groups and organisms. The most successful groups have rules for how group members should interact with each other and when a member breaks the rules the group condemns the rule breaker because he is undermining group cohesion

2018-09-08 22:54:49 UTC  

If your goal is survival, then to keep your head down and bide your time until the threat has passed is the way to survive, unless you think that you would be sought out and exterminated for doing so.

2018-09-08 22:55:18 UTC  

It is fight OR flight

2018-09-08 22:55:36 UTC  

That's why adultury is condemned within society

2018-09-08 22:56:04 UTC  

Societies that condemn it do better as a result

2018-09-08 22:56:40 UTC  

@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 no survival is Telos

2018-09-08 22:56:49 UTC  

Survival at any cost

2018-09-08 22:56:51 UTC  

And sticking your head down is only applicable when danger is present

2018-09-08 22:56:59 UTC  

The Telos is survival.

2018-09-08 22:57:02 UTC  

Yes

2018-09-08 22:57:05 UTC  

I think is what you mean.

2018-09-08 22:57:10 UTC  

You're right

2018-09-08 22:57:14 UTC  

Telos in and of itself means nothing.

2018-09-08 22:57:22 UTC  

It's just an end.

2018-09-08 22:57:27 UTC  

A goal

2018-09-08 22:57:33 UTC  

The destination or aim.

2018-09-08 22:57:52 UTC  

Survival is more than threat scenarios

2018-09-08 22:58:16 UTC  

No, if you believe you are in danger of not surviving

2018-09-08 22:58:21 UTC  

There is a threat.

2018-09-08 22:58:39 UTC  

Either you need to mitigate the threat, or hide from it.

2018-09-08 22:59:06 UTC  

Passing on your genes has to do with survival but there is no threat.

2018-09-08 22:59:29 UTC  

No, of you don't pass on your genes, that is the threat.

2018-09-08 22:59:35 UTC  

That your genetic line will end.

2018-09-08 23:00:12 UTC  

Then you are just describing every operation of life in general

2018-09-08 23:01:18 UTC  

To keep us alive long enough to reproduce, to help our offspring survive long enough so they can reproduce, etc.