Message from @Snakeisninja
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@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 perhaps it would be easier if I explained it this way. What is "ultimate end" of your tongue?
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@campodin @Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 Telos* is survival
Telos is what I'm talking about
Since all organisms die, no organism can survive indefinitely, but genes can
Organisms are vessels for genes, and thus it is an organism's ultimate purpose to secure the survival of its genes
And degenerate behaviors are in contradiction to survival?
@campodin that's typically how we think of them. For example homosexuality is considered degenerate because it doesn't produce offspring
I would agree with that
You could say the same for any form of sex that doesn't have the potential for reproduction. Now keep in mind while a blowjob is degenerate, a man can get a blowjob one night and still have kids prior to his death.
Calling something degenerate just identifies it as less than ideal
I'm in favor of social pressures against oral sex. Ie. Ostracization
It's not really priority #1
But yes, not all degeneracy is equal
Ironically role playing, BDSM, and dressing up during sex aren't degenerate by this definition assuming the form of sex is still intercourse
As long as it isn't adultery, sodomy or gay
@Madden and no birth control is used
Well age play could be since it encourages attraction to children
Yea
Adultury isn't nessesarily degenerate either by this definition
Not sexually degenerate
If the man cheats on his wife and impregnates his mistress then he is being procreative
The concern here isn't degeneracy but something else
You would argue based on the effect that single parent/out of wedlock kids have on society
Not even that is correct. Telos is an end. The ultimate Goal, the aim.
Not even what?
Simply put groups are a strategy in which multiple organisms (often with shared genes) cooperate to compete with other groups and organisms. The most successful groups have rules for how group members should interact with each other and when a member breaks the rules the group condemns the rule breaker because he is undermining group cohesion
If your goal is survival, then to keep your head down and bide your time until the threat has passed is the way to survive, unless you think that you would be sought out and exterminated for doing so.
It is fight OR flight
That's why adultury is condemned within society
Societies that condemn it do better as a result
@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 no survival is Telos
Survival at any cost
And sticking your head down is only applicable when danger is present
The Telos is survival.