Message from @Snakeisninja
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But yes, not all degeneracy is equal
Ironically role playing, BDSM, and dressing up during sex aren't degenerate by this definition assuming the form of sex is still intercourse
Weird
As long as it isn't adultery, sodomy or gay
@Madden and no birth control is used
Well age play could be since it encourages attraction to children
Yea
Adultury isn't nessesarily degenerate either by this definition
Not sexually degenerate
If the man cheats on his wife and impregnates his mistress then he is being procreative
The concern here isn't degeneracy but something else
You would argue based on the effect that single parent/out of wedlock kids have on society
Not even that is correct. Telos is an end. The ultimate Goal, the aim.
Not even what?
Simply put groups are a strategy in which multiple organisms (often with shared genes) cooperate to compete with other groups and organisms. The most successful groups have rules for how group members should interact with each other and when a member breaks the rules the group condemns the rule breaker because he is undermining group cohesion
If your goal is survival, then to keep your head down and bide your time until the threat has passed is the way to survive, unless you think that you would be sought out and exterminated for doing so.
It is fight OR flight
That's why adultury is condemned within society
Societies that condemn it do better as a result
@Summī Imperator, 呪い殿 no survival is Telos
And sticking your head down is only applicable when danger is present
The Telos is survival.
Yes
I think is what you mean.
You're right
Telos in and of itself means nothing.
It's just an end.
A goal
The destination or aim.
Survival is more than threat scenarios
No, if you believe you are in danger of not surviving
There is a threat.
Either you need to mitigate the threat, or hide from it.
Passing on your genes has to do with survival but there is no threat.
No, of you don't pass on your genes, that is the threat.
That your genetic line will end.
Then you are just describing every operation of life in general
To keep us alive long enough to reproduce, to help our offspring survive long enough so they can reproduce, etc.
All such would be a?
The threat to your genetic line surviving.